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    Posted: July 27 2012 at 02:43
Too much Rush, too much Genesis, too much mediocrity... especially at #1.

More generic a**-licking from the kings of mediocrity.
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Other than that, I have no problems with the list. Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd all deserve to be there.
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Originally posted by Horizons

f**k yes no TAAB

I wouldn't mind it being there, although I've heard better. 

The list actually did surprise me, particularly 6 through 1. "2112" is no. 2? Huh?


Edited by Dayvenkirq - July 27 2012 at 02:55
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I would rather that Rolling Stone did what they did to Dream Theater, and limit it to one album per band.

Good reader's poll list though. No Porcupine Tree? Cry
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Post Options Post Options   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2012 at 10:24
I see no one has noticed the problem that the main article before the list brings up. RS said that if they made this list based on all the votes, there would have been 5 Dream Theater albums in the list, so they combined them all into one, and picked Scenes because it had the most votes. Yet, there's only 6 bands on this whole list; 3 Rush, 2 KC, 2 Genesis. WackoAngry
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Originally posted by darkshade

I see no one has noticed the problem that the main article before the list brings up. RS said that if they made this list based on all the votes, there would have been 5 Dream Theater albums in the list, so they combined them all into one, and picked Scenes because it had the most votes. Yet, there's only 6 bands on this whole list; 3 Rush, 2 KC, 2 Genesis. WackoAngry
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^ I really don't have a problem with having two albums by the same artist/band on a list like this one. Three is borderline. Four would be just downright suspicious.
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While I love 2112, number 2 is ridiculous. The fact that Dream Theater is there at all invalidates the list in my opinion.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2012 at 02:14
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ I really don't have a problem with having two albums by the same artist/band on a list like this one. Three is borderline. Four would be just downright suspicious.
agreed but the point being made was that if DT were only getting one then why did Genesis and Rush get more than one? Seems an odd thing to do. Inconsistent at the very least.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2012 at 02:35
^ Well, what else did you expect? A whole list of DT albums? And even if DT had more than one album, then that would push "Moving Pictures" and "Red" out. Then people would be bi$%hing about "Red": "Hey, where the f$%k is 'Red'? Why does this list have only one Crims album?" Stuff like that.

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I think darkshade has made a fair point.  If DT albums were kept out of the list to keep it down to just one, there should have been just one album per band.  It makes sense in any case to have just one album per band in an all time list, would make it more representative.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2012 at 02:49
^ The list wasn't made to be representative. It was made to emphasize what the readers think are the top 10 best prog albums. Quintessential albums are a different business. Best ... quintessential ... see the difference?

Now, if we take into account all the things that have been discussed in the previous posts, then I suppose we could conclude it wouldn't hurt for RS to also make a list of top 10 most quintessential prog albums ... although, I must say that in cases such as this one number 10 is too small ... perchance.


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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ The list wasn't made to be representative. It was made to emphasize what the readers think are the top 10 best prog albums. Quintessential albums are a different business. Best ... quintessential ... see the difference?

Now, if we take into account all the things that have been discussed in the previous posts, then I suppose we could conclude it wouldn't hurt for RS to also make a list of top 10 most quintessential prog albums ... although, I must say that in cases such as this one number 10 is too small ... perchance.


In that case, either all DT albums that got voted to the top 10 should have been included or none, to disqualify DT for encouraging their fans through their facebook page.   But you can't apply different rules to different bands.  If there were supposedly too many DT albums in the list, why do we need three Rush albums in the top 10 anyway?  
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Who is this D Theatre band?
 
Glad, and surprised The Lamb was so high! 
 
Are Rush big with fans of this so called D THeatre Band?  Would that explain 3 albums ? 
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ The list wasn't made to be representative. It was made to emphasize what the readers think are the top 10 best prog albums. Quintessential albums are a different business. Best ... quintessential ... see the difference?

Now, if we take into account all the things that have been discussed in the previous posts, then I suppose we could conclude it wouldn't hurt for RS to also make a list of top 10 most quintessential prog albums ... although, I must say that in cases such as this one number 10 is too small ... perchance.


In that case, either all DT albums that got voted to the top 10 should have been included or none, to disqualify DT for encouraging their fans through their facebook page.   But you can't apply different rules to different bands.  If there were supposedly too many DT albums in the list, why do we need three Rush albums in the top 10 anyway?  

I guess what you are trying to say is that you can't rank great works (because they are so different), did I get it right? 'Cause that's all I can make out of your reply thus far.


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Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ The list wasn't made to be representative. It was made to emphasize what the readers think are the top 10 best prog albums. Quintessential albums are a different business. Best ... quintessential ... see the difference?

Now, if we take into account all the things that have been discussed in the previous posts, then I suppose we could conclude it wouldn't hurt for RS to also make a list of top 10 most quintessential prog albums ... although, I must say that in cases such as this one number 10 is too small ... perchance.


In that case, either all DT albums that got voted to the top 10 should have been included or none, to disqualify DT for encouraging their fans through their facebook page.   But you can't apply different rules to different bands.  If there were supposedly too many DT albums in the list, why do we need three Rush albums in the top 10 anyway?  

I guess what you are trying to say is that you can't rank great works (because they are so different), did I get it right? 'Cause that's all I can make out of your reply thus far.


Nope.  I am not sure from your responses whether you read what Rolling Stone said in the beginning of the list.  They said DT encouraged their fans to vote on this poll through their facebook page which, RS claim, skewed the results of the poll.  Apparently to remedy this, RS included one DT album in the list instead of all that had been voted into the top 10.   And yet, there are multiple albums of a few bands in the list, Rush, Genesis and KC, which is strange and contradictory.  Who's to say there wasn't too much fanboy voting in those cases too that skewed the results?  If RS included only one DT album to counter skewing, they should have had only album each of Rush, Genesis and KC too in the top 10.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ The list wasn't made to be representative. It was made to emphasize what the readers think are the top 10 best prog albums. Quintessential albums are a different business. Best ... quintessential ... see the difference?

Now, if we take into account all the things that have been discussed in the previous posts, then I suppose we could conclude it wouldn't hurt for RS to also make a list of top 10 most quintessential prog albums ... although, I must say that in cases such as this one number 10 is too small ... perchance.


As far as I am aware Rolling Stone is an American publication (albeit available o/seas in certain countries)
Would Rush and Dream Theater (sic) figure so highly in say, an NME, Sounds, Q or Melody Maker poll? (all UK publications) It's nothing to be proud of certainly, but even these forums vouchsafe the reality of Prog being parocial innit?
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ The list wasn't made to be representative. It was made to emphasize what the readers think are the top 10 best prog albums. Quintessential albums are a different business. Best ... quintessential ... see the difference?

Now, if we take into account all the things that have been discussed in the previous posts, then I suppose we could conclude it wouldn't hurt for RS to also make a list of top 10 most quintessential prog albums ... although, I must say that in cases such as this one number 10 is too small ... perchance.


In that case, either all DT albums that got voted to the top 10 should have been included or none, to disqualify DT for encouraging their fans through their facebook page.   But you can't apply different rules to different bands.  If there were supposedly too many DT albums in the list, why do we need three Rush albums in the top 10 anyway?  

I guess what you are trying to say is that you can't rank great works (because they are so different), did I get it right? 'Cause that's all I can make out of your reply thus far.


Nope.  I am not sure from your responses whether you read what Rolling Stone said in the beginning of the list.  They said DT encouraged their fans to vote on this poll through their facebook page which, RS claim, skewed the results of the poll.  Apparently to remedy this, RS included one DT album in the list instead of all that had been voted into the top 10.   And yet, there are multiple albums of a few bands in the list, Rush, Genesis and KC, which is strange and contradictory.  Who's to say there wasn't too much fanboy voting in those cases too that skewed the results?  If RS included only one DT album to counter skewing, they should have had only album each of Rush, Genesis and KC too in the top 10.

Yes, I see. The RS saw 6/10 of the list being DT stuff (ho-ho-ho Big smile) and figured "Hey, let's work around this issue a bit." How they worked around it is a mystery to me. 
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