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Poll Question: Which of these largely ignored guitarists do you like best?
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    Posted: July 29 2012 at 12:15
Six of my favourite guitarists from six of my favourite bands - but they rarely get mentioned on here.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 12:26
Probably the IQ guy, but I've never really been terribly impressed by IQ, or most Neo Prog for that matter. Mike Holmes is still a great guitarist though, in his own right. Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 12:56
Mike Holmes
 
when I saw IQ perform Subterranea 12 years ago I spent most of the time watching Holmes. One of those guitarists that makes it look easy
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 12:57
Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Probably the IQ guy, but I've never really been terribly impressed by IQ, or most Neo Prog for that matter. Mike Holmes is still a great guitarist though, in his own right. Thumbs Up
 
I maintain that "Neo-prog" is not really a genre in its own right, despite it being listed as such on here. It's just a continuation of symphonic prog by bands that started after the first wave died. Stylistically, there's no difference.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 13:20
John Lees, though I ignore all those guitarists too
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 13:46
Going with Rogers here. He had such a big hand in developing that special groove the Earthband fuelled in the 70s.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 13:47
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 13:49
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

John Lees, though I ignore all those guitarists too
 
Looking at the sort of garbage you rate highly, I'll bet they're very glad you ignore them!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 13:58
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

John Lees, though I ignore all those guitarists too
 
Looking at the sort of garbage you rate highly, I'll bet they're very glad you ignore them!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 14:00
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

John Lees, though I ignore all those guitarists too
 
Looking at the sort of garbage you rate highly, I'll bet they're very glad you ignore them!
there is no need for this, it's best to stick to the topic Wink

The little I have heard of Holmes is great although it would be unfair to compare with the works of the others, of which I have heard only glimpses


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 14:08
Mike Holmes followed by Mick Rogers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 15:37
Mr. Holmes for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 15:40
Mike Holmes. His genius is even more apparent live, too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 15:48
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Probably the IQ guy, but I've never really been terribly impressed by IQ, or most Neo Prog for that matter. Mike Holmes is still a great guitarist though, in his own right. Thumbs Up
 
I maintain that "Neo-prog" is not really a genre in its own right, despite it being listed as such on here. It's just a continuation of symphonic prog by bands that started after the first wave died. Stylistically, there's no difference.


While some bands definitely straddle the line between neo and symph, they are two distinctive styles.  Neo has a tendency to be more song-oriented, with more emphasis on melody than on complex time signatures and chord changes.  Neo also has less focus on extended soloing.  There also seemed to be an incorporation of 80's music into the mix.  Except for a few instrumental neo bands that I know of, vocals took a much more prominent role in neo.  And finally, neo didn't have quite the breadth that symph has, namely that neo seemed to take inspiration from Wind and Wuthering and left out pretty much all other prog influences, early on anyway.  BTW, it isn't just listed here as a separate subgenre.  It is a generally accepted subgenre of prog.  PA is just following the generally accepted here. 

This is a tough question from the OP.  Holmes and Lees are among my favorites and a few of the others aren't too shabby either.  This time I'm going to go with Lees, but on any other day it could have been Holmes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 15:53
I've been listening to Pendragon recently, and also the new Flower Kings.  Pendragon is no less symphonic than The Flower Kings.  (And Spock's Beard should probably be in Crossover.)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 16:18
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Going with Rogers here. He had such a big hand in developing that special groove the Earthband fuelled in the 70s.

Absolutely, Rogers shines ! If you have any doubts , check out his solo on Visionary Mountain , a classic sizzle of momentous feel. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 18:06
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Probably the IQ guy, but I've never really been terribly impressed by IQ, or most Neo Prog for that matter. Mike Holmes is still a great guitarist though, in his own right. Thumbs Up
 
I maintain that "Neo-prog" is not really a genre in its own right, despite it being listed as such on here. It's just a continuation of symphonic prog by bands that started after the first wave died. Stylistically, there's no difference.


While some bands definitely straddle the line between neo and symph, they are two distinctive styles.  Neo has a tendency to be more song-oriented, with more emphasis on melody than on complex time signatures and chord changes.  Neo also has less focus on extended soloing. 
 
 
Given that IQ play in all sorts of complex time signatures and use complex chord structures as well as soloing frequently and extensively, they surely fall into symphonic then.
 
Just because PA uses the term neo-prog to define a genre (and some other prog forums don't accept it) doesn't mean it's right. Martin Orford particularly hates the term; I think he knows what he's talking about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 18:16
As the originator of this poll, I find choosing damned hard myself!
 
Fean - Can tear out Celtic riffs and solos which you just HAVE to get up and dance to
Holmes - Technically brilliant; can tap with the best and makes all the hardest solos look easy
Josh - One of the most emotive guitarists of all and a superb soloist
Lambert - Very underrated
Lees - Excellent at both rhythm and lead work
Rogers - Has an astonishing "feel"
 
I might go with Holmes, but then again, it might just be Josh.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 18:39
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:


Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Going with Rogers here. He had such a big hand in developing that special groove the Earthband fuelled in the 70s.

Absolutely, Rogers shines ! If you have any doubts , check out his solo on Visionary Mountain , a classic sizzle of momentous feel. 



Nightingales n Bombers together with Solar Fire are my fave from the Earthband. Rogers actually has many lead parts on those albums now that I think of it, but I kind of like it when he sits back and goes blurry bluesy and then pops out time and again into one of his big solos. Fantastic ax man.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 18:43
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Probably the IQ guy, but I've never really been terribly impressed by IQ, or most Neo Prog for that matter. Mike Holmes is still a great guitarist though, in his own right. Thumbs Up
 
I maintain that "Neo-prog" is not really a genre in its own right, despite it being listed as such on here. It's just a continuation of symphonic prog by bands that started after the first wave died. Stylistically, there's no difference.


While some bands definitely straddle the line between neo and symph, they are two distinctive styles.  Neo has a tendency to be more song-oriented, with more emphasis on melody than on complex time signatures and chord changes.  Neo also has less focus on extended soloing. 
 
 
Given that IQ play in all sorts of complex time signatures and use complex chord structures as well as soloing frequently and extensively, they surely fall into symphonic then.
 
Just because PA uses the term neo-prog to define a genre (and some other prog forums don't accept it) doesn't mean it's right. Martin Orford particularly hates the term; I think he knows what he's talking about.


I heard Marillion regularly referred to as a neo-prog band way back in 1984, long before there was a PA.  That is a long-accepted term applied to several bands which arose in the late 70's/early 80's and played a more accessible style of symphonic prog.  Many neo-prog musicians hate the term.  It doesn't mean that isn't what they're playing.  Wink
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