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Do I have to do a list of Freddie's best songwriting moments with Queen:
 
 
 
 
 
Some will say that it's just a pop song. It's Pop perfection.
 
 
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Originally posted by geneyesontle geneyesontle wrote:

Some will say that it's just a pop song. It's Pop perfection.

There is no such thing as "just" a pop song.
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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:


I was a huge fan back in high school, and it was always Roger's songs that I looked forward to the most.  He was kind of my hero for a while.  I think I remember making a mixed tape of just Roger Taylor songs.  He only had 1 or 2 songs per album, but I always loved them.Freddie and Brian were probably "best" - more prolific, certainly, and more central to the Queen sound -- but I'm giving my vote to Rog.




Exactly the same for me !
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It's May. No question.
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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I like the songs of Brian May and Roger Taylor, but I cannot vote for anyone but Freddie Mercury: he wrote Bohemian Rhapsody and Innuendo.


Actually, while Freddie played a large role in the song, Innuendo wasn't quite his song, the way Bohemian Rhapsody was.  The music was based on a jam between the other three members which Freddie molded into a song and the lyrics were mostly Roger's. 

@llama - I agree with you on Deacon.  Most of his stuff seemed rather generic.  Roger did write a lot of songs I loved though - Drowse, Sheer Heart Attack, Human Body, A Kind of Magic, the lyrics to One Vision and Innuendo, Breakthrough, Invisible Man, and so on.  I will admit though that Rock It was not his best work.  Why it made it to the album and Human Body (a much better song) was relegated to a b-side I'll never know.


Drowse is such a monster of a song. I would add I'm in Love with My Car. I've always loved that silly slong.
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Hmmm...when people list "Ogre Battle"  as a great instance of Mercury's songwriting, I would say that it wouldn't be much of anything without the violence of Brian May's guitar. Same thing with "Stone Cold Crazy" or "Brighton Rock". I mean, even a hit song written by Mercury like "Killer Queen" would be not so great without Brian May's loopy guitar leads using an English penny as a pick.
 
Two favorites of mine from May are"'39" and "Good Company", but it's really a tough call though, as Mercury was far more prolific.
 
Bah, I'll go with May simply to be difficult.


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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I like the songs of Brian May and Roger Taylor, but I cannot vote for anyone but Freddie Mercury: he wrote Bohemian Rhapsody and Innuendo.


That does it for me. Innuendo is probably my favourite song from Queen... though I might just as well say the same thing about Bohemian Rhapsody. The only problem, is that I only know their greatest hits, haven't gotten into their discography. I thought I liked enough from the hits, but there were many songs I didn't like so much and didn't want to spend money on their whole discography. Though lately I've been curious about getting their earlier albums, up to a Night at the Opera, I guess.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Hmmm...when people list "Ogre Battle"  as a great instance of Mercury's songwriting, I would say that it wouldn't be much of anything without the violence of Brian May's guitar. Same thing with "Stone Cold Crazy" or "Brighton Rock". I mean, even a hit song written by Mercury like "Killer Queen" would be not so great without Brian May's loopy guitar leads using an English penny as a pick.
 
Two favorites of mine from May are"'39" and "Good Company", but it's really a tough call though, as Mercury was far more prolific.
 
Bah, I'll go with May simply to be difficult.
 
Ogre Battle was written by Freddie on guitar.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

I like the songs of Brian May and Roger Taylor, but I cannot vote for anyone but Freddie Mercury: he wrote Bohemian Rhapsody and Innuendo.


That does it for me. Innuendo is probably my favourite song from Queen... though I might just as well say the same thing about Bohemian Rhapsody. The only problem, is that I only know their greatest hits, haven't gotten into their discography. I thought I liked enough from the hits, but there were many songs I didn't like so much and didn't want to spend money on their whole discography. Though lately I've been curious about getting their earlier albums, up to a Night at the Opera, I guess.


I generally like their album tracks better than their hits, especially the first two albums that don't really have any hits.
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Toss up between Mercury and May.
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My first rock and roll love. This band got me into heavy rock, metal and prog, many many moons ago.
The only songwriter I'm not a great fan of was Deacon. Someone on this thread noted that there's no such thing as "just a pop song". Well there is, and that's what Deacon wrote. As to who's best. Taylor wrote some great stuff including the magnificent Drowse, but it's got to be a toss-up between Fred and Brian. What I would say is that most of the great stuff they wrote worked mainly because of the input of the other (and of John and Roger). Ogre Battle or Black Queen were made by Brian's guitar, and the immense It's Late by an unbelievable vocal from Freddie. That's why (even with the nonesence like Don't Try So Hard and Back Chat ) this band worked, but didn't hit the same level with the great Paul Rodgers on board. On balance though, my vote goes to Mr Farrokh Bulsara.
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Brian wrote plenty of amazing songs but Freddie in his prime was more original, more "musician" in a broad sense.
 
Brian wrote more using the rock idiom while Freddie wrote more as a pre-rock musician, introducing all those elements from classical, Sinatra standards, cabaret, dixieland, big band, swing etc.
 
While Brian was a huge pillar of the Queen sound, Freddie contributed more than any other to the uniqueness of Queen's musicality, with songs like My Fairy King, Nevermore, March Of The Black Queen, Killer Queen, Lily Of The Valley, In The Lap Of The Gods (both parts), Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon, Seaside Rendezvous, Love Of My Life, Bohemian, You Take My Breath Away, Millionaire Waltz, Somebody To Love, Good Old Fashioned Loverboy, My Melancholy Blues etc.
 
Queen made a lot of great rock and pop-rock songs, including several by Deacon and Taylor, but it was songs like those above by Freddie that for me made Queen an unrepeatable band, not following the paths explored by other prog bands and yet reaching beyond the rock musical idiom, which is also a kind of progressiveness in my book.
 
 
 


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Originally posted by geneyesontle geneyesontle wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Hmmm...when people list "Ogre Battle"  as a great instance of Mercury's songwriting, I would say that it wouldn't be much of anything without the violence of Brian May's guitar. Same thing with "Stone Cold Crazy" or "Brighton Rock". I mean, even a hit song written by Mercury like "Killer Queen" would be not so great without Brian May's loopy guitar leads using an English penny as a pick.
 
Two favorites of mine from May are"'39" and "Good Company", but it's really a tough call though, as Mercury was far more prolific.
 
Bah, I'll go with May simply to be difficult.
 
Ogre Battle was written by Freddie on guitar.
 
And yet he did not play any of the guitar on the recording. That was all May. It's one thing to come up with the riff, it's entirely another playing it like May did.
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None of the members of Queen were particularly great songwriters, just OK ish. The best song was Radio Gaga, most complete and flowing. Freddie was amazingly old-fashioned in his writing, almost vaudeville - it was strange to hear such a powerful and rocking band batter those songs into something that passed as "rockified". Some of their most anthemic 'songs' were banal and repetitive, perhaps ideal for crowd-singing beer-swilling karaoke fodder.

A great band, fine musicians, but songwriters? - never.
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^ I disagree. All were good songwriters except for Taylor IMO. 
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Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

None of the members of Queen were particularly great songwriters, just OK ish. The best song was Radio Gaga, most complete and flowing. Freddie was amazingly old-fashioned in his writing, almost vaudeville - it was strange to hear such a powerful and rocking band batter those songs into something that passed as "rockified". Some of their most anthemic 'songs' were banal and repetitive, perhaps ideal for crowd-singing beer-swilling karaoke fodder.

A great band, fine musicians, but songwriters? - never.


I apologize for the assumption if it's wrong, but it sounds like you have only heard their greatest hits based on your comment. I assume the anthemic song you are referring to is We Will Rock You, which I agree doesn't have much to it. But how can you say songs like It's Late, White Queen, The Prophet's Song, '39, Love of My Life, etc. aren't well written?
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Freddie Mercury then Brian May

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Freddie Mercury was a better songwriter i think. A lot of imagination.
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Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

^ I disagree. All were good songwriters except for Taylor IMO. 

We are all entitled to our opinion and we can agree to disagree.
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by DiamondDog DiamondDog wrote:

None of the members of Queen were particularly great songwriters, just OK ish. The best song was Radio Gaga, most complete and flowing. Freddie was amazingly old-fashioned in his writing, almost vaudeville - it was strange to hear such a powerful and rocking band batter those songs into something that passed as "rockified". Some of their most anthemic 'songs' were banal and repetitive, perhaps ideal for crowd-singing beer-swilling karaoke fodder.

A great band, fine musicians, but songwriters? - never.


I apologize for the assumption if it's wrong, but it sounds like you have only heard their greatest hits based on your comment. I assume the anthemic song you are referring to is We Will Rock You, which I agree doesn't have much to it. But how can you say songs like It's Late, White Queen, The Prophet's Song, '39, Love of My Life, etc. aren't well written?

No need to apologise, but nice of you to take the precaution of saying so. I have heard most of their songs, and I stand by my comments. Too many people are fooled by the production and often-excellent musicianship, strip all that away and though the songs are never bad, they are often average or non-songs. (IMO)!
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