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    Posted: August 19 2012 at 21:42
I've been a huge fan of The Residents since I first heard them when I was 16, but I always hated their material after 1982. "Mark of the Mole" seems like the album where they lost an interesting 'concept' direction... the lyrics seemed downright stupid or simple... the story isn't even an interesting metaphor, just a straightforward, cliche-type story about moles and immigration issues. The music, however, is still very cool, sonically excellent analog synthesizers. The show is also excellent.

"Tunes of Two Cities" sounds transitional; the music isn't as good, especially with the blocky EMU sound. All the albums following I cannot stomach; it sounds like the band changed dramatically & lost focus on their original vision imho. I think it's a mixture of natural band decay (10 years is a long time to stay excellent!) and some original members departing, plus their absorption into the mainstream business/marketing world, and touring. Plus, manager (& Resident?) Jay Clem left, along with financier (& Resident?) John Kennedy (who also took their studio deed).

Sorry if this has come up before, wanted to see how people felt.

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Although I don't hate their output after the Mole series, I have to agree that the Residents seemed to lose a little of their inimitable magic around that time. I guess the Age of Reason confronts all of us whether we care to admit it or not, as people grow older and have to deal with the very real and dirty mechanics of their career and life choices e.g. would being a full time Resident put food on a family table and pay the bills etc? Post 1980 the only projects they undertook that really appealed to me were Freak Show and Wormwood (but I confess to not having heard everything in the interim) I also think the tiresome façade of not revealing the identity of the band members is overplayed and by now, a completely redundant cliché.
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Originally posted by penguindf12

I've been a huge fan of The Residents since I first heard them when I was 16, but I always hated their material after 1982. "Mark of the Mole" seems like the album where they lost an interesting 'concept' direction... the lyrics seemed downright stupid or simple... the story isn't even an interesting metaphor, just a straightforward, cliche-type story about moles and immigration issues. The music, however, is still very cool, sonically excellent analog synthesizers. The show is also excellent.

"Tunes of Two Cities" sounds transitional; the music isn't as good, especially with the blocky EMU sound. All the albums following I cannot stomach;

I totally agree with you.  Except I don't have a problem with neither the Mole-concept or the EMU (don't know what it means) sound on Tunes of two Cities, though.

Just in case you overlooked these post '82 releases with mostly great material from the shelves: Whatever Happened to Vileness Fats and Residue Deux. I also dig their 1981 (released in '83) Renaldo & the Loaf collaboration Title in Limbo + I consider 1982's Intermission EP an essential part of the Mole-project. Maybe you know all this already.   

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I also think the tiresome façade of not revealing the identity of the band members is overplayed and by now, a completely redundant cliché.
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE!

Imo they should retire ASAP and never reveal their identity. Who on earth would want to see The Residents as human beings? Not me. I think they should have stuck to their eyeballs too.
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I have heard great things about some of their most recent albums, but the only one I've listened to more than once is Wormwood, and that one didn't appeal to me that much.  I think after "Mark of the Mole" things generally took a turn for the worse, and in a lot of cases it looked like they were putting out throwaway albums.  The big exception to the rule is "God in Three Persons", which, while not a musical tour de force, works as a great spoken-word-with- accompaniment piece, such that the music stays out of the way but really supports the narrative well.  

But in general, I stopped really caring once they got into the American Composer Series in the 80s and started doing Elvis Presley deconstructions.  Not horrible at all, just not the same kind of insanity that made them great in the 70s.
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I also love the Residents' early work. I like Mark of the Mole and Tunes of Two Cities and think both albums work well. The only album I have heard of theirs after that period is Freak Show, which I think is terrible, so yes, I'm inclined to agree with you.

As far as their identities go, everyone knows that they are really the Beatles in disguise, and so once John Lennon died, a lot of the creativity left the group.
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Originally posted by thellama73

As far as their identities go, everyone knows that they are really the Beatles in disguise, and so once John Lennon died, a lot of the creativity left the group.

Definitely. But Paul, George and Ringo still managed to create the Mole-trilogy without John. It may not be without flaws, but its still much better than anything the fab four ever released under the Klaatu-banner.
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I agree with most of the statement above.  However, I liked the American Composers series.  "Stars & Hank Forever" is brilliant.
 
Where I think they went wrong was when they changed from an organic sound, using whatever instruments they could get their hands on, to a mostly synthesized production.  It may be easier to record that way, but it made everything cold, and often too simplistic.
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Originally posted by Evolver

I agree with most of the statement above.  However, I liked the American Composers series.  "Stars & Hank Forever" is brilliant.
 
Where I think they went wrong was when they changed from an organic sound, using whatever instruments they could get their hands on, to a mostly synthesized production.  It may be easier to record that way, but it made everything cold, and often too simplistic.


Yes, and it didn't help that the synths they used sound REALLY dated now. Maybe that's what they were going for, but it's not nearly as interesting as the weird array of non-digital instruments they used to use.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette!


Imo they should retire ASAP and never reveal their identity. Who on earth would want to see The Residents as human beings? Not me. I think they should have stuck to their eyeballs too.


I think it's pretty important to see them as humans. The anonymity thing was a cool idea back when it was four (?) weird dudes making collectively bizarre statements. Nowadays I feel like the 'mystery' is more 'hype' and they are a pretty artistically uninteresting group, run by roughly half of the original members. Not saying they should haul off & die, or retire, but I also think it's silly and disingenuous.

It's like if Peter Gabriel Genesis became Phil Collins Genesis, but they still pretended as if there were no personnel change. (Phil Collins Genesis is better than post-82 Residents for what it's worth Wink)




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I've got the DVDs for Eskimo and The Commercial Album, Tunes, and Third Reich.  I much prefer their later stuff though.  If you like the Eskimo album and don't have the DVD, I highly recommend it.  Also, TCA is a lot of fun in DVD format.  You get to work your way through a DVD maze where each room has short videos in it.


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Imo they should retire ASAP and never reveal their identity. Who on earth would want to see The Residents as human beings? Not me. I think they should have stuck to their eyeballs too.


I think it's pretty important to see them as humans.

Oh god no. I don't get it. I like mysteries. Of course I'd prefer if the four eyeballs called it a day back in 1982, and left us with avant rock's strongest discography, even surpassing Magma. But I never want to see four boring farts and having to associate The Residents with those faces. I hope they remain faceless forever. It suits the music.

I think more artists should dress up and somehow hide their unmysterious ordinariness, not fewer. An eyeball, a priest, a prawn, a fox...whatever would be better than just some random, Yezda Urfa-looking guys or old men with beer bellies.
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Originally posted by penguindf12

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Imo they should retire ASAP and never reveal their identity. Who on earth would want to see The Residents as human beings? Not me. I think they should have stuck to their eyeballs too.


I think it's pretty important to see them as humans.

Oh god no. I don't get it. I like mysteries. Of course I'd prefer if the four eyeballs called it a day back in 1982, and left us with avant rock's strongest discography, even surpassing Magma. But I never want to see four boring farts and having to associate The Residents with those faces. I hope they remain faceless forever. It suits the music.

I think more artists should dress up and somehow hide their unmysterious ordinariness, not fewer. An eyeball, a priest, a prawn, a fox...whatever would be better than just some random, Yezda Urfa-looking guys or old men with beer bellies.


I completely agree with all of this. I would pay good money to see a band of people with fox masks in tuxedos.
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I was a big Residents fan in the 80s, but stopped buying their albums after God In 3 Persons.  Singing the albums credits was a nice idea, but otherwise it wasn't anything special. 
What was special however, was seeing them live on the 13th anniversary tour in 1986, with Snakefinger on guitar, less than a year before he died.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette!

I hope they remain faceless forever. It suits the music.

I don't think it suits it at all. It's a good "pull you in" factor, but once you're familiar with it you start to feel a VERY personal meaning in it. Poetic language obscures it, but The Residents made incredibly emotional music before they became pure spectacle in the '80's, all the dull carnivalesque bluffing BS. "Fingerprince" & "Not Available" especially seem like sombody's autobiography, specifically Hardy Fox's. It's fun to guess about it and be unsure, and it's a great marketing tool, but the anonymity thing has outlived its artistic usefulness.

Besides, to a casual fan that wouldn't look into their works extensively anyway, how could names add anything? If I told you that the voices on "Third Reich n' Roll" are Homer Flynn, Hardy Fox, Jay Clem, & John Kennedy, that doesn't mean much unless you are familiar with the histories of those people. And I think context is important in understanding art. To claim that The Residents are simply so weird that their music should not be linked to human emotions/history is a bit of an insult to that work.

That was the whole "joke" of the anonymity thing back in the '70's, I feel; Chris Cutler, in his original "File Under Popular" essay (before he revised it to exclude these criticisms), noted that when Clem & Kennedy were still around, "business" was treated as "art"; an obvious, false veneer of facelessness added humor & interesting context to what were essentially four friends having fun and doing what they like, which I feel is important.

Hm. I guess I feel that The Residents' important work has been over for 30 years, and that it's criminal for the history of that work to remain obscured or inaccessible.


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Although, on second thought....

To fans that's "in" on the joke, there's plenty of information available to piece it together. And the remaining members probably do kind of rely on their novelty factor to sell records today, and I like those guys, so I suppose long live the barrier. But when they pass away, I hope people give them due credit.


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^I think its safe to state that we just have to agree to disagree, and leave it at that. I've been a diehard Residents fan for over 15 years (bought all their great + tons of their crap albums too), and have no problem relating to the emotional beauty created by my favorite eyeballs.

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I can dig it. :)
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O there's lots of good stuff after 1982 for sure. I don't know, maybe because ProgArchives are a music site, the most of story albums, videos, radio play albums, PC games and such won't get much appreciation here. If the playful avantgarde music is your thing then yeah, that early Residents sound would maybe be the best. I personally enjoy quite a lot of stuff afterwards, be it because of nice lyrics, morbid as hell ghost story videos and whatever that Bunny Boy thing was about, I still didn't get quite a hold of it. Someone said that they like the idea of Residents more than their music, which I kind of get, I just like that somewhere out there is someone who makes albums about sexually deviant clowns.

Also, the singer has been releasing quite a lot of historical notes about the band on his tumblr, like the Snakefinger's wedding they attended and such, where you can see him in his early days, so it seems they have been getting quite sociable in the old days, with one of them even releasing a solo album. I don't know if it's another mischief of theirs though, their real life seems as crazy as they are.
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O there's lots of good stuff after 1982 for sure. I don't know, maybe because ProgArchives are a music site, the most of story albums, videos, radio play albums, PC games and such won't get much appreciation here. If the playful avantgarde music is your thing then yeah, that early Residents sound would maybe be the best. I personally enjoy quite a lot of stuff afterwards, be it because of nice lyrics, morbid as hell ghost story videos and whatever that Bunny Boy thing was about, I still didn't get quite a hold of it. Someone said that they like the idea of Residents more than their music, which I kind of get, I just like that somewhere out there is someone who makes albums about sexually deviant clowns.


Have the album, saw it live, didn't enjoy it. The music was mostly horrible, the vocals were awful/storyteller annoying (probably an original Resident) and I thought the story in itself rather underdeveloped and uninteresting too.  But you're right, I'm not very interested in The Residents as radio theatre (or computer game), and would have swapped the entire Bunny Boy-performance show for just one musically inspired minute. 
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