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    Posted: October 20 2012 at 13:50
Why has nobody gotten around to this yet?

Swans' 2012 album The Seer is an instant prog classic, and certainly qualifies them for inclusion.  To some degree their previous album, My Father Will Guide Me... does as well.  Which sub-genre?  Good question.  I would semi-jokingly say Krautrock, honestly.  Or maybe eclectic or something.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote thellama73 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2012 at 13:54
I like Swans. I only have Children of God/World of Skin though, and it is not very prog.
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I like Swans. I only have Children of God/World of Skin though, and it is not very prog.


Hence the caveat that it is The Seer which qualifies them for the site
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Andy Webb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2012 at 14:00
Not gonna lie I was kind of surprised when I saw they weren't here when I first listened to The Seer. That sh*t's massive. I'll take another listen to confirm, but I'm thinking Exp/Post would be the best place for these guys.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Andy Webb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2012 at 14:05
Brief sampling confirms this. I can't really thing of another place where it could fit. I'll alert the team.
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Soundtracks for the Blind and Swans are Dead are both solid post-rockin' arguments for inclusion as well. Children of God is probably still my favorite though. Also kinda progressive but maybe not in a PA-proggy-prog way.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Triceratopsoil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2012 at 14:10
Everything they've done is "progressive," but unfortunately that's not necessarily what "prog rock" means
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^I know what you mean, but I still think both Soundtracks for the Blind and Swans are Dead are partly pioneering post rock-albums and more than "just" progressive 
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Interesting. My initial reaction was just "No", but I haven't got The Seer (yet - I'm a big fan and I will be buying it).
 
While they are variously pegged as "ambient", "experimental",  "post- punk", "post rock" and "art rock", based on their work upto (but not necessarily including) The Seer I don't see any of that crossing-over into any of those Progressive Rock categories that carry the same tags as we interpret them here. Not every post rock band is progressive post rock (for example).
 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Triceratopsoil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2012 at 14:29
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Interesting. My initial reaction was just "No", but I haven't got The Seer (yet - I'm a big fan and I will be buying it).
 


I recommend you get on that, magnificent album.  I don't hesitate at all to say it's their best yet.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A Person Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2012 at 14:32
I've not heard everything they've done but I'd definitely agree that The Seer is the most progressive I've heard from them, not sure where they would fit on PA, though.

And I still like Filth more :P
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Personally, I didn't get much out of the album, but I can defiantly see them fitting into Prog-Related, possibly even RIO/Avant
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bonnek Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2012 at 08:56

Put in a resounding 'NO' this morning but hadn't seen this thread nor heard The Seer yet.

Intriguing listen, being largely instrumental it brings the music more to the fore then any other Swans album.
Not sure though this one album is Prog enough to support inclusion of this band.
Not that the 'indie' label does them any justice of course...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sheavy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2012 at 22:44
If they get rejected would someone be awesome enough to sponsor for prog-related?
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Post-Rock? I guess.
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/\ I really don't think so
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It's only logical that Swans should be in the database, like seriously.
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I think they'd be great in Related. They do kinda fit in Avant and Post-rock, but barely, IMO
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I have only just begun my journey with this band - meaning, I own some 5 albums by them, but as I hear it, what really would qualify them for inclusion here on PA, surely would be the most recent releases, where I for one hear a lot of post-rock. The thing is, it's pretty much their own concoction of it no less. Unlike Dean, I tend to hear it as something unequivocally progressive.
It doesn't sound like anything other in terms of post-rock, and that has a lot to do with the sombre and long drawn out atmospheres. Krautrock has been suggested, and maybe there is something in these vast atmospherics, I still think post fits better.
Anywho, the thing is - is a few (or one) album(s) enough, when the artists have a huge discography behind them that has little to do with PA. If so, where are The Scorpions? Or Serge Gainsbourg?
We either need that album tagging thing - allowing us to enter individual progressive outings, or else we have to go through a lot of those "Are Swans really prog?" Threads...
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^ moved to post-rock team for a second shot, not PM in any case
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