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    Posted: October 22 2012 at 22:24
A thread to show our favorite (Pre-/Post-)Baroque, revisitings through the dynamics of rock bands.


If you don't know this one (Egg band meets Bach) : warm sound of early seventies



Many reworks from BWVs aren't that bad, but not happy with much of the stuff I'd heard I ended up spending quite some time on a few BWV's myself...






Long life PA


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Sorry, as my signature shows, I hold the Man from Eisenach in too much esteem to like when his music is trampled horrendously.

Though I won't deny the talent Emerson had to make less-than-atrocious classical-to-rock adaptations.
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Commenting without even having lent an ear ? What is your esteem for monumental composers worth then?


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Teo, what's your opinion of Wendy Carlos' Switched On Bach?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote menawati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2012 at 10:51
someone should do a metal instrumental version of the solo partitas might be fun
They flutter behind you your possible pasts,
Some bright-eyed and crazy, some frightened and lost.
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Originally posted by menawati

someone should do a metal instrumental version of the solo partitas might be fun

Go for it !!

BWV 825-830 ? Quite much work if you rehearse /+ program each and every measure of those pieces.

Is there any part you're really into ...How would you play them (slower vs faster, ninja-like vs heavy, serious vs carefree )? 
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Steve Morse covered Bach's 'Jesus, Joy of a man's desiring' just as many other guitarists like Leo Kottke. WIth his trio, Steve Morse Band, he often had one track inspired by Bach
 
Also, Jethro Tull's "Bourrée" is a famous Bach-inspired piece of music :
 
In jazz, Jacques Loussier made some good renditions of Bach's music.
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Jean-Marie, I quite like the tracks you posted. They are quite faithful to the spirit of Bach's music.
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Originally posted by thellama73

Teo, what's your opinion of Wendy Carlos' Switched On Bach?

I find it well done, if you like that type of thing. For my taste it is horrendous though. The counterpoint and the general idea is well preserved considering the instruments being used. But I don't enjoy it. Not at all. I used to have the LP (well, my dad actually) and even as a child I found it funny. As I got more and more into the Master's music as I was growing up, I found Carlos' work devoid of any interest.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote menawati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2012 at 17:18
Originally posted by jayem

 
Is there any part you're really into ...How would you play them (slower vs faster, ninja-like vs heavy, serious vs carefree )? 

a raw heavy brutal and fast version of the long 11 minute bit Partita 2 - Ciaccona, riffs galore
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Post Options Post Options   Quote thellama73 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:22
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Originally posted by thellama73

Teo, what's your opinion of Wendy Carlos' Switched On Bach?

I find it well done, if you like that type of thing. For my taste it is horrendous though. The counterpoint and the general idea is well preserved considering the instruments being used. But I don't enjoy it. Not at all. I used to have the LP (well, my dad actually) and even as a child I found it funny. As I got more and more into the Master's music as I was growing up, I found Carlos' work devoid of any interest.


It always seemed like a bit of a pointless exercise to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jayem Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2012 at 12:49
Originally posted by lucas

Jean-Marie, I quite like the tracks you posted. They are quite faithful to the spirit of Bach's music.


Thanks for Morse, Tull, Loussier suggestions. Nice to meet you ! 


Maybe you're meaning that similar tracks qualify for "faithfulness to the spirit" when they don't sound like an exercise.

Bach would hardly get the point in boosting the recordings of his works to rock'n'roll dynamics, even jazz, should he abruptly wake up now, would he? In that regard the original "spirit" is lost.

I'd also say that the joy of being touched by music refering to societies of a remote past has a taste of "spiritual" transcendance, which can be kept even when we pretend to "fit" that music to our likenings into extending the ways of rendition with current musical gear.


Originally posted by menawati

a raw heavy brutal and fast version of the long 11 minute bit Partita 2 - Ciaccona, riffs galore

BWV 1004 you mean? If nobody has done it yet this one will probably tempt some melodic metal band sooner / later...



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Originally posted by jayem


Bach would hardly get the point in boosting the recordings of his works to rock'n'roll dynamics, even jazz

Bach encouraged his pupils to improvise. We can thus say that he was the first jazzman. Also I once saw a musical documentary in TV  where some Bach music was seen as the source to the jazz "walking bass".
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How about the sexual thing in jazz
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jayem Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 05:14
Nice to meet you !...

What you've linked is Beethoven's Sonate 8 2nd mov

Symphony X did play Bach indeed :


Hehe...Doesn't Beethoven deserve a thread for himself ?



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Bach was a REAL genius.
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Originally posted by FunkyHomoSapien

Bach was a REAL genius.


Actually I only like around 25 percent of all BWV's I've heard, and that's not saying he's anything else than an exceptionally gifted composer. But he doesn't move me and shake my guts more than several rock bands around. So how do we care if he's a genius ?


If you've skipped three classes in school like he did, have a good ear, and get a solid musical education + passion in music + curiosity for every style + taking time to compile, you're likely to be technically as good as he was.

Because he studied very diverse styles, rythmics and patterns, nearly everyone of us is fond of one bit or the other.

Few people take the time and dedicate themselves to learn how to write a solid fugue, and become proficient with instruments played in the XVIIIth ctry.

Perhaps people are impressed too easily.


What do you mean anyway...


1. Beethoven isn't a genius ?
2. This thread is pointless ?
3. The fact people are still revisiting his works 262 years after his death shows how great he was; furthermore I don't care about the very purpose of this thread ?



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