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    Posted: March 18 2013 at 16:17
Originally posted by desistindo

I have a theory that only collectors listen to prog that arent a masterpiece (at least in personal taste perspective). If you can listen to a top star album, why would you listen a two star, for instance? Particularly speaking, I have many prog albums and I just linsten back to the tops. Does it occur with you too?
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I kind of agree with what he's saying if you look at it from that perspective.
I have 'collected' many prog cd's over the years and some I rarely listen to because they are simply not as good as the others with traditionally higher ratings. That doesn't mean I don't pull them out and play them sometimes because one could always change their mind or 'hear' an lp differently the next time.
So I tend to do the same thing and play my favorites which usually are the higher ranked lp's.
And case in point I have a friend who is a hard core collector (thousands of cd's and lp's ..) of all things progressive rock...and he has told me there are many things he has only played once  because they just aren't as good as the better rated ones.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chozal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 14:49
Sometimes it's nice to listen to an (justly) underrated album just to hear something new. I personally am a rabid hunter for great tracks which will never be on any greatest hits or reunion tour setlist, hidden away in a minor LP, and they are everywhere.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote desistindo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 16:57
Originally posted by Chozal

Sometimes it's nice to listen to an (justly) underrated album just to hear something new. I personally am a rabid hunter for great tracks which will never be on any greatest hits or reunion tour setlist, hidden away in a minor LP, and they are everywhere.

Yeah, i know what you mean. Sometimes can be more "adventurous" if you pick the "obscure" way in some famous band's discography too. 
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Another factor is that we all have a limited amount of time to listen to anything.  Let's hypothetically say we can listen to ten thousand hours of music before we die (I'm old, yeah)  - if we're limited to ten thousand hours, how much of that do we want to give over to repeat plays of the masterpieces we've already heard a few hundred times?  one hundred plays of one hundred overplayed masterpieces would use up most of our allotted time, and we'll have only heard a hundred albums.  Why not instead spread it about among 'mediocre' music or non-prog music or dedicate our listening time to new things - the best of 2014 is going to be amazing to listen to, whoever it'll be by, but not yet.  And we won't know which of the future music is going to be masterpieces or mediocre or utter doo-doo until we actually listen to it.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chozal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2013 at 05:26
Originally posted by Stool Man

Another factor is that we all have a limited amount of time to listen to anything.  Let's hypothetically say we can listen to ten thousand hours of music before we die (I'm old, yeah)  - if we're limited to ten thousand hours, how much of that do we want to give over to repeat plays of the masterpieces we've already heard a few hundred times?  one hundred plays of one hundred overplayed masterpieces would use up most of our allotted time, and we'll have only heard a hundred albums.  Why not instead spread it about among 'mediocre' music or non-prog music or dedicate our listening time to new things - the best of 2014 is going to be amazing to listen to, whoever it'll be by, but not yet.  And we won't know which of the future music is going to be masterpieces or mediocre or utter doo-doo until we actually listen to it.
 
Not to mention never listen to any masterpieces by Swans or John Cage :mrgreen:


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Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2013 at 12:16
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul

Originally posted by moshkito

Originally posted by desistindo

I have a theory that only collectors listen to prog that arent a masterpiece (at least in personal taste perspective). If you can listen to a top star album, why would you listen a two star, for instance? Particularly speaking, I have many prog albums and I just linsten back to the tops. Does it occur with you too?
 
you must have some awfully bizarre, insane and stupid ideas about collectors ... if I want all Mozart, wtf would I care if you think it is a 1-star, 2-star, or 3-star, specially when it went by your rankings?

No, no, no, you got him entirely wrong. He's asking why you would listen to an album you think is mediocre when you could listen to one that you think is excellent. He's not forcing his taste on you whatsoever.

I may not agree with desistindo myself, but at least have the courtesy of not putting words into his mouth.
 
The MAGICK difference is that I don't listen to "prog", or "masterpieces", or "star", or "two star", or "mediocre" ...  ... and this is one of the most important things when discussing and understanding the underlying current of the original folks that were here 40 years ago (with the music I mean), most of which are highly musically inclined and interested in DIFFERENT music, none of which had anything to do with collecting at all.

In my case, it is all about "my own experience", and none of it has anything else to do with anyone else or anything else ... I may have gotten a little help from a few friends, notably Guy Guden at one time, but that's like saying I didn't have it before, when our house already had things like Alan Stivell and Aphrodite's Child and many Europeans and Latin Americans ... we were a house that was listening to a lot of music! I didn't need anyone to tell me that something was nice, or good ... and that is the main difference on my comment ... besides the fact that I doubt that collecting has a whole lot to do with listening ... for many people ... when you find that someone only wants this Blue Note label or another label, and they didn't care if Miles Davis played elsewhere ... which I have seen in my life!

Other than a handful of folks here, most of us collect experiences, not records, or cd's! Otherwise, the meaning of the music itself ... dies! And very quickly!


Edited by moshkito - March 25 2013 at 12:22
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2013 at 12:56

Ever since first finding this site many moons ago I've been non-plussed by the descriptions we give to 1 and 2 star ratings:

Collectors/fans only
Poor. Only for completionists
 
(not withstanding that the correct term is 'completists' not 'completionists')
 
Because who are we if not fans, and what are we if not collectors?


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^^^  Maybe it reflects a certain kind of highly zealous, autograph-hunting fan who will buy everything the artist releases because of his identity alone.  I am a fan of Scorpions but I didn't like Humanity and didn't have interest in learning what Sting in the Tail would be like.   So I am a fan only to the extent I really like some of their work but not indiscriminately so of the band themselves.   
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Originally posted by Dean

Ever since first finding this site many moons ago I've been non-plussed by the descriptions we give to 1 and 2 star ratings:

Collectors/fans only
Poor. Only for completionists
 
(not withstanding that the correct term is 'completists' not 'completionists')
 
Because who are we if not fans, and what are we if not collectors?


I always took fans in this context to mean more die-hard fans - take a hypothetical 2-star Genesis album - the Genesis uber-fans among us would be more interested than I, a casual acquaintance at best, and the 2 star rating can convey that as much as any rating can.  Collectors in the context of a band is that certain band (most everyone has one) where you'll gobble up everything sound unheard no matter how dire others may consider it.

Agree that everyone knows a 1-star means "this sucks" and there's really no need to qualify it further.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AtomicCrimsonRush Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2013 at 07:30
I collect - mediocre albums tend to surface now and then but its worth the effort to get to the masterpiece albums. I listen to the mediocre albums once in a while and enjoy them as they usually have some merit despite the non classic material.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 09:03
Originally posted by Dean

Ever since first finding this site many moons ago I've been non-plussed by the descriptions we give to 1 and 2 star ratings:

Collectors/fans only
Poor. Only for completionists
 
(not withstanding that the correct term is 'completists' not 'completionists')
 
Because who are we if not fans, and what are we if not collectors?
 
Gosh ... now I have to look to see if I have any of these ... if "any", I probably would think that the stuff I have from Pete Brown, is down right close ... I think there was an interest earlier, but it was hard to believe, that a few songs that came off so well written, all of a sudden, came off like crap! I never understood that ... and when I heard his album with the keyboard player from MAN, my only thought was ... this guy is too ripped to know the difference anymore!
 
But generally, that is the only one just about ... but I suppose that me having a few Mahler Symphonies, Turandot, Mary Queen of Scots, and a lot of Bernard Herrman will ahve many folks scratching their heads!
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