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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 12:48
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

So far I consider 44 albums to be perfect  masterpieces. I'd get pretty bored of music if I only listened to 44 albums.


Which 44?


These


I only own 13 of those (although I have more.) I guess I have some work to do. Also, you can't put EPs and demo tapes on the list, that is against the rules. If you can do that you might as well put singles on as well, which is plainly ridiculous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 12:49
Mediocre at best^Ying Yang
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 12:49
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

So far I consider 44 albums to be perfect  masterpieces. I'd get pretty bored of music if I only listened to 44 albums.


Which 44?


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I only own 13 of those (although I have more.) I guess I have some work to do. Also, you can't put EPs and demo tapes on the list, that is against the rules. If you can do that you might as well put singles on as well, which is plainly ridiculous.


It's a list of my 5 star ratings.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 12:55
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

So far I consider 44 albums to be perfect  masterpieces. I'd get pretty bored of music if I only listened to 44 albums.


Which 44?


These


I only own 13 of those (although I have more.) I guess I have some work to do. Also, you can't put EPs and demo tapes on the list, that is against the rules. If you can do that you might as well put singles on as well, which is plainly ridiculous.


It's a list of my 5 star ratings.


I say The Beatles' Hits, Devo Live, the Permafrost EP, They Might Be Giants' Demo Tape and the Strawberyy Alarm Clock single don't count as albums. I'm on the fence about Let It Be...Naked, but I'm in a generous mood so you can have that one. That makes 39 albums you find perfect masterpieces.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 13:10
hmm I feel like if i counted up all hte albums i consider masterpieces there would be waaay more than 44... maybe I'm too generous though? Or maybe I'm simply too confident about how good my music taste is :P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 13:35
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

So far I consider 44 albums to be perfect  masterpieces. I'd get pretty bored of music if I only listened to 44 albums.
Well I only concur with three of those. Of the rest -  I have to be honest I wouldn't even consider listening to most of them and since this is a prog site, and I am most impressed with symphonic progressive rock - I'll bet most on here would be able to guess which three I picked....
This would be more of my top albums (I have to love everything or only a single track is deficient)
12 perfect efforts I reckon....
Genesis. Foxtrot, Selling England By the Pound (2)
Yes, Close to the Edge, Tales From Topographic Oceans (4)
Camel, Moonmadness (5)
Transatlantic, The Whirlwind (6)
Flower Kings, Banks of Eden (7)
IQ, Dark Matter (8)
Anima Mundi , The Way (9)
Rush, Hemispheres (10)
Agents of Mercy, The Dark Forest (11)
Galleon, From Land to Ocean (12)
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 13:55
People need to realise that a good album, or an excellent album, are just that - good and excellent. In two star albums, there will also be stuff that you enjoy on them. There is a reason why the site's guidelines discourage you from giving too many albums one or five star ratings. It is because utter masterpieces or utter sh##bags of albums should be very rare. There will almost always be something of merit on an otherwise poor album, and, equally, masterpieces should be in the minority - a clear minority, because they are rare. When I see someone giving a high number of five star reviews, I tend to ignore those reviews.

Some people are in the mindset that something they find extremely enjoyable is, de facto, a masterpiece. It ain't.

The joy I get from this site is the opportunity to listen to music I would not otherwise hear. Most of the time, such stuff gives me a great deal of pleasure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 15:16
Originally posted by desistindo desistindo wrote:

I have a theory that only collectors listen to prog that arent a masterpiece (at least in personal taste perspective). If you can listen to a top star album, why would you listen a two star, for instance? Particularly speaking, I have many prog albums and I just linsten back to the tops. Does it occur with you too?
Personally, I don't hold onto albums if I've rated them at three stars or less unless I am particularly in love with some of the songs on them. Which isn't to say I don't give them a chance - I always make sure to give albums one last listen before pulling the trigger on them - but in general, an album at least needs to be comfortably above average to be a "keeper" in my book.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 15:58
In this day and age you can try out lots of stuff with little effort. Mediocre is in the eye of the beholder. In the end you have to make judgements but don't slam another's musical tastes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 16:07
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:


I say The Beatles' Hits, Devo Live, the Permafrost EP, They Might Be Giants' Demo Tape and the Strawberyy Alarm Clock single don't count as albums. I'm on the fence about Let It Be...Naked, but I'm in a generous mood so you can have that one. That makes 39 albums you find perfect masterpieces.


well, that makes my point even better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 17:53
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Some people are in the mindset that something they find extremely enjoyable is, de facto, a masterpiece. It ain't.

I would call an album I find extremely and consistently enjoyable a masterpiece. What else is a masterpiece if not that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 21:51
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Some people are in the mindset that something they find extremely enjoyable is, de facto, a masterpiece. It ain't.

I would call an album I find extremely and consistently enjoyable a masterpiece. What else is a masterpiece if not that?

Consider all the other factors that make a masterwork what it is: novelty, the extent of progginess, its historical importance, etc.

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Mediocre at best^

What is, exactly?


Edited by Dayvenkirq - November 08 2012 at 21:55
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2012 at 00:28
Yesterday I had a lot of pleasure listening to The Final Cut. Nobody thinks it's a masterpiece, probably neither Roger Waters. If I'm in the right mood I can like even "Are You Ready Eddie?" I'm reviewing all the about 100 albums of Senmuth and just a couple of them are very good. I have given 5 stars only to "Pat Hof Neu Rog Ene Sis" if I remember correctly, but I have listened with some pleasure to the other 99.
 
However the thread is about "mediocre prog", not "masterpieces". So I think the question is about why listening to 2-stars albums. Well, I have rated GTR with 1 star only, but sometimes I listen to it as well and I have relistened to it carefully again when I reviewed it. I still believe that it's a 1-star album but I sometimes listen to Sex Pistols, too.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2012 at 03:42
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Consider all the other factors that make a masterwork what it is: novelty, the extent of progginess, its historical importance, etc.

None of these have anything to do with "masterpiece" status. If that were the case, I could only give five stars to the usual suspects: Close to the Edge, Thick as a Brick, Foxtrot etc. I don't buy into the notion that an album that had no impact on the prog scene whatsoever can't be a masterpiece.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2012 at 04:11
Web definitions for:

a) masterpiece -  1.A work of outstanding artistry, skill, or workmanship. 2. An artist's or craftsman's best piece of work.
b) popularity - The state or condition of being liked, admired, or supported by many people.

I think there is definitely a distinction between a and b above. Tongue
a is subjective, b is objective
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2012 at 05:37
Nobody spoke of popularity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2012 at 05:39
Then I must have misinterpreted your mentioning of  "usual suspects". My bad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2012 at 05:42
"Usual suspects" referred to the most historically significant prog albums. It just so happens that they're also the most popular ones.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2012 at 05:45
Why must you listen to mediocre prog even if you are a collector?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2012 at 06:43
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Why must you listen to mediocre prog even if you are a collector?
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Edited by tamijo - November 09 2012 at 06:48
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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