Why listen to mediocre prog if you not a collector |
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thellama73
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Posted: November 08 2012 at 12:48 | ||||
I only own 13 of those (although I have more.) I guess I have some work to do. Also, you can't put EPs and demo tapes on the list, that is against the rules. If you can do that you might as well put singles on as well, which is plainly ridiculous. |
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timothy leary
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: November 08 2012 at 12:49 | ||||
Mediocre at best^
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smartpatrol
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 15 2012 Location: My Bedroom Status: Offline Points: 14169 |
Posted: November 08 2012 at 12:49 | ||||
It's a list of my 5 star ratings. |
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thellama73
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Posted: November 08 2012 at 12:55 | ||||
I say The Beatles' Hits, Devo Live, the Permafrost EP, They Might Be Giants' Demo Tape and the Strawberyy Alarm Clock single don't count as albums. I'm on the fence about Let It Be...Naked, but I'm in a generous mood so you can have that one. That makes 39 albums you find perfect masterpieces. |
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Sumdeus
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Posted: November 08 2012 at 13:10 | ||||
hmm I feel like if i counted up all hte albums i consider masterpieces there would be waaay more than 44... maybe I'm too generous though? Or maybe I'm simply too confident about how good my music taste is :P
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M27Barney
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
Posted: November 08 2012 at 13:35 | ||||
This would be more of my top albums (I have to love everything or only a single track is deficient)
12 perfect efforts I reckon....
Genesis. Foxtrot, Selling England By the Pound (2)
Yes, Close to the Edge, Tales From Topographic Oceans (4)
Camel, Moonmadness (5)
Transatlantic, The Whirlwind (6)
Flower Kings, Banks of Eden (7)
IQ, Dark Matter (8)
Anima Mundi , The Way (9)
Rush, Hemispheres (10)
Agents of Mercy, The Dark Forest (11)
Galleon, From Land to Ocean (12)
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lazland
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13240 |
Posted: November 08 2012 at 13:55 | ||||
People need to realise that a good album, or an excellent album, are just that - good and excellent. In two star albums, there will also be stuff that you enjoy on them. There is a reason why the site's guidelines discourage you from giving too many albums one or five star ratings. It is because utter masterpieces or utter sh##bags of albums should be very rare. There will almost always be something of merit on an otherwise poor album, and, equally, masterpieces should be in the minority - a clear minority, because they are rare. When I see someone giving a high number of five star reviews, I tend to ignore those reviews.
Some people are in the mindset that something they find extremely enjoyable is, de facto, a masterpiece. It ain't. The joy I get from this site is the opportunity to listen to music I would not otherwise hear. Most of the time, such stuff gives me a great deal of pleasure.
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Warthur
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 06 2008 Location: London, UK Status: Offline Points: 617 |
Posted: November 08 2012 at 15:16 | ||||
Personally, I don't hold onto albums if I've rated them at three stars or less unless I am particularly in love with some of the songs on them. Which isn't to say I don't give them a chance - I always make sure to give albums one last listen before pulling the trigger on them - but in general, an album at least needs to be comfortably above average to be a "keeper" in my book.
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29625 |
Posted: November 08 2012 at 15:58 | ||||
In this day and age you can try out lots of stuff with little effort. Mediocre is in the eye of the beholder. In the end you have to make judgements but don't slam another's musical tastes.
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smartpatrol
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 15 2012 Location: My Bedroom Status: Offline Points: 14169 |
Posted: November 08 2012 at 16:07 | ||||
well, that makes my point even better. |
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HarbouringTheSoul
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 21 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1199 |
Posted: November 08 2012 at 17:53 | ||||
I would call an album I find extremely and consistently enjoyable a masterpiece. What else is a masterpiece if not that? |
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: November 08 2012 at 21:51 | ||||
Consider all the other factors that make a masterwork what it is: novelty, the extent of progginess, its historical importance, etc.
What is, exactly? Edited by Dayvenkirq - November 08 2012 at 21:55 |
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13344 |
Posted: November 09 2012 at 00:28 | ||||
Yesterday I had a lot of pleasure listening to The Final Cut. Nobody thinks it's a masterpiece, probably neither Roger Waters. If I'm in the right mood I can like even "Are You Ready Eddie?" I'm reviewing all the about 100 albums of Senmuth and just a couple of them are very good. I have given 5 stars only to "Pat Hof Neu Rog Ene Sis" if I remember correctly, but I have listened with some pleasure to the other 99.
However the thread is about "mediocre prog", not "masterpieces". So I think the question is about why listening to 2-stars albums. Well, I have rated GTR with 1 star only, but sometimes I listen to it as well and I have relistened to it carefully again when I reviewed it. I still believe that it's a 1-star album but I sometimes listen to Sex Pistols, too.
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
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HarbouringTheSoul
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 21 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1199 |
Posted: November 09 2012 at 03:42 | ||||
None of these have anything to do with "masterpiece" status. If that were the case, I could only give five stars to the usual suspects: Close to the Edge, Thick as a Brick, Foxtrot etc. I don't buy into the notion that an album that had no impact on the prog scene whatsoever can't be a masterpiece. |
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Neelus
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Posted: November 09 2012 at 04:11 | ||||
Web definitions for:
a) masterpiece - 1.A work of outstanding artistry, skill, or workmanship. 2. An artist's or craftsman's best piece of work. b) popularity - The state or condition of being liked, admired, or supported by many people. I think there is definitely a distinction between a and b above. a is subjective, b is objective |
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: November 09 2012 at 05:37 | ||||
Nobody spoke of popularity.
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Neelus
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Posted: November 09 2012 at 05:39 | ||||
Then I must have misinterpreted your mentioning of "usual suspects". My bad.
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: November 09 2012 at 05:42 | ||||
"Usual suspects" referred to the most historically significant prog albums. It just so happens that they're also the most popular ones.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 09 2012 at 05:45 | ||||
Why must you listen to mediocre prog even if you are a collector?
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tamijo
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
Posted: November 09 2012 at 06:43 | ||||
Looking forward to the upcomming "Wakeman plays Liberace" 32-CD-BOX-set Edited by tamijo - November 09 2012 at 06:48 |
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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