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    Posted: October 09 2013 at 02:18
Originally posted by octopus-4

Quote from somebody: the generation that really liked it were no longer the target audience of the record companies

I think this is the synhtesis of the whole thread. There was no bandcamp in the 80s and only the bigs were in condition to self-produce their albums.
I agreed.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AtomicCrimsonRush Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2013 at 03:16
Originally posted by Svetonio

Originally posted by octopus-4

Quote from somebody: the generation that really liked it were no longer the target audience of the record companies

I think this is the synhtesis of the whole thread. There was no bandcamp in the 80s and only the bigs were in condition to self-produce their albums.
I agreed.


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^^ what an agreeable thread! Oh what the hell....I agree too!
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Finally.

It took 11 months, but finally people agree with me.


Right... 


...Next!


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Well, at least it wasn't a full year! Boy that would have been torture.
In any case, Classic Prog rock maybe dead for a lot of people but not for I.
Myself, I still relish in the classics like Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Camel, Asia Minor and Pink Floyd of course. :)

Then again, I am very young and I've only been listening to Prog for 17 years while some even here on PA are close to 40 years. I am curious to see how I will feel about Genesis and the latter of other great Prog classic artist in say....20 years?

Let the fading begin? I won't hold my breath. Lol
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Originally posted by progbethyname


In any case, Classic Prog rock maybe dead for a lot of people but not for I.
Myself, I still relish in the classics like Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Camel, Asia Minor and Pink Floyd of course. :)

Then again, I am very young and I've only been listening to Prog for 17 years while some even here on PA are close to 40 years. I am curious to see how I will feel about Genesis and the latter of other great Prog classic artist in say....20 years?

Let the fading begin? I won't hold my breath. Lol

Don't hold your breath Nick!  I've been into prog since '75 and still listen to those 1st few albums that hooked me up...Brain Salad Surgery, Close to the Edge, Relayer, Minstrel in the Gallery, Starless and Bible Black, Nursery Cryme, H to He, Mirage, Meddle, Free Hand...they still get a spot in the rotation from time to time Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King


Originally posted by progbethyname

In any case, Classic Prog rock maybe dead for a lot of people but not for I.
Myself, I still relish in the classics like Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Camel, Asia Minor and Pink Floyd of course. :)

Then again, I am very young and I've only been listening to Prog for 17 years while some even here on PA are close to 40 years. I am curious to see how I will feel about Genesis and the latter of other great Prog classic artist in say....20 years?

Let the fading begin? I won't hold my breath. Lol

Don't hold your breath Nick!  I've been into prog since '75 and still listen to those 1st few albums that hooked me up...Brain Salad Surgery, Close to the Edge, Relayer, Minstrel in the Gallery, Starless and Bible Black, Nursery Cryme, H to He, Mirage, Meddle, Free Hand...they still get a spot in the rotation from time to time Thumbs Up


My dear friend, at this point in my youth I cannot imagine such classics, as you mentioned above, ever getting stale or ignored with in my Prog brain....especially that Moonmadness. Come on...I think that album may never die for me. ;)
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NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote WeepingElf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2013 at 13:53
Originally posted by Rick Robson

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...



Progressive rock certainly has its classics, especially, but not only, from the classic era.  Close to the Edge probably belongs to the finest pieces of music created in the late 20th century, on a par with John Coltrane's A Love Supreme, and better than most of the postserialist brainfartery that many "classical" composers produced at that time.

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Weeping Elf, you are absolutely right.  Here goes another two examples of that:
Steve Hackett - A Midsummer Night's Dream
Steve Hackett - Metamorpheus
 
With the exception that these ones are much more Classical like.


Edited by Rick Robson - October 23 2013 at 15:06
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Post Options Post Options   Quote progbethyname Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2013 at 07:03
Originally posted by Rick Robson

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...



I like this attitude. and F.Y.I I love Pink Floyd's PULSE live album as well.
One of 1994's finest.
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Originally posted by Rick Robson

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...


I think it's entirely possible since prog (like classical) is more harmonically and structurally complex than ritual dance music or disposable pop Wink
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While we are on the topic of celebrating good prog, this album has been blowing my mind into mincemeat for the past couple of months, and its not stopping...many will know this well already, but those that don't...give it a go man

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I agree with the comment that it is an illusion. What appears to be faded progressive rock is an entirely different genre called indie.  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote progbethyname Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2013 at 16:53
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King


Originally posted by Rick Robson

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...


I think it's entirely possible since prog (like classical) is more harmonically and structurally complex than ritual dance music or disposable pop Wink


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Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King


Originally posted by Rick Robson

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...


I think it's entirely possible since prog (like classical) is more harmonically and structurally complex than ritual dance music or disposable pop Wink


Ever get tired of being right all the time.

I'm not celebrating yet, we'll see in a hundred years just how right I am LOL
I'm using the chicken to measure it.
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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King


Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King


Originally posted by Rick Robson

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...


I think it's entirely possible since prog (like classical) is more harmonically and structurally complex than ritual dance music or disposable pop Wink


Ever get tired of being right all the time.

I'm not celebrating yet, we'll see in a hundred years just how right I am LOL


Oh come on. Do a little shuffle dance to celebrate. You've earned it.
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Facts of life: Everything fades away, everything is temporal, nothing is permanent. Classical music itself is only a mere few hundred years old. I have a tree out back that's older than Bach. If aliens arrived and tried to appreciate, say, Genesis or Yes, it would probably sound to them like whale songs or bird chirpings do to us. Human music is related to human language, it's why no other animal on earth is into Floyd, & why none of us go gaga over bird whistles.



Edited by jude111 - November 30 2013 at 10:51
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Nature's forever changing behavior applies to everything. That's why I hope, for the EXISTENCE of human being, that applies as "permanent waves" (not the Rush's album hahaha), somewhat like sea waves coming and going... like a journey between YING and YAN, because Classical Music is deeply related to the way our brain cells behave.



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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King


Originally posted by Rick Robson

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...


I think it's entirely possible since prog (like classical) is more harmonically and structurally complex than ritual dance music or disposable pop Wink


Ever get tired of being right all the time.

I'm not celebrating yet, we'll see in a hundred years just how right I am LOL
 
If in a hundred years classical music or classic prog already faded away, nobody is here anymore to tell the story...
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