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    Posted: November 21 2012 at 13:03
Piper was groundbreaking.  The Division Bell was OK though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2012 at 05:46
The division bell.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 21:47
I too like Collins as a singer much more than Gabriel, whom for me is not good at all. I like Fish a bit better, though, but I still find him annoying sometimes; though I still don't know any Hogarth era Marillion in order to compare both singers. However, I still love Gabriel era Genesis more than Collins era Genesis, and I don't know about Hogarth era Marillion, but can't imagine liking it better than Fish era. As for this thread, I have stated before that I like The Division Bell much better than Piper... as a matter of fact, I find TDB among my favourite Pink Floyd albums, just behind Animals and Wish you were Here, and perhaps even above Dark Side.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 18:22
Yes, people's tastes are personal and I respect that. What I don't like on this site is people voting for Marillion or Genesis or whoever and voting for Fish or Gabriel or whoever just because it's them and not giving the other singers their proper due Especially when Collins and Hogarth are far superior vocalists IMO and others. They may not be theatrical, but they SING better!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 18:18
Sumdeus, it's just shows that there's no accounting for taste Just like everybody voting for Grendel in the Marillion epic. Some people seem to want to live in the past, even when more recent works by artists are better than their old works!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 14:53
how was my comment barely relevant? He said "so many people have voted for TDB because it's better" and i'm pointing out that doesn't make much sense because WAY MORE people have voted for Piper.

either way. I don't really care what people like. You're free to dig what you dig. It just annoys me when people keep coming in this thread posting their opinions like it's scientific fact. I haven't reviewed every post of mine in this thread but I feel like I've been good at sticking to "I like Piper cause of ____ and I don't like TDB cause of ____" rather than just acting like what I think is law somehow
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 14:48
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 14:45
Can't we all just bang a gong?

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Hey, wait, I think I prefer Piper. I'm sure I do. But I prefer The Final Cut over both of these two.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 14:42
Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by Wanorak Wanorak wrote:

So many people have voted for the Division Bell because it's a much better album


That's why there's almost twice as many votes for Piper, right? Ah yes it all makes sense now.

No, it doesn't, which makes your comment barely relevant to what Wanorak said. He said:

Originally posted by Wanorak Wanorak wrote:

So many people have voted for the Division Bell because it's a much better album  
... and he did not say anything specific about the number of votes for A Piper or the number of votes for TDB.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 14:27
Originally posted by Wanorak Wanorak wrote:

So many people have voted for the Division Bell because it's a much better album


That's why there's almost twice as many votes for Piper, right? Ah yes it all makes sense now... Maybe I need to go puff on my tobacco pipe and grab a monocle so I can be 'sophisticated' and 'mature' enough to understand why TDB isn't boring as hell. :P


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 12:57
So many people have voted for the Division Bell because it's a much better album The debut has a couple good tracks on it at best IMO
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 06:16
I voted the as you, but I love even The Final Cut
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 06:15
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:


The Division Bell is melodic, and the lyrics do say somethign that has a meaning and is relevant to me. The "Pooper" lyrics are more like cute, but nonsensical nursery rhymes.


This is exactly what Syd was making. He was fascinated by fairy tales and nursery rhymes. He was a 360 artist. The sound of the words was sometimes more important than their meanings (Mathilda Mother: "wondering and Dreaming, the words had different meanings"). Think to the sound of  "floating down the sound resounds around the icy waters underground".  This is genius! 

I do get this, and I do not undervalue Syd (rest in peace). The poll question was, however, 'Which album do you prefer'. Had the question been, 'Which album  was more mold-breaking in the year of its release', I'd have gone for "Popper" of course. 





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 03:56
LOL Well said. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 03:19
Its like comparing Stravinsky with Rod Steward, guess who is who Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 03:15
Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:


The Division Bell is melodic, and the lyrics do say somethign that has a meaning and is relevant to me. The "Pooper" lyrics are more like cute, but nonsensical nursery rhymes.


This is exactly what Syd was making. He was fascinated by fairy tales and nursery rhymes. He was a 360 artist. The sound of the words was sometimes more important than their meanings (Mathilda Mother: "wondering and Dreaming, the words had different meanings"). Think to the sound of  "floating down the sound resounds around the icy waters underground".  This is genius! 




Edited by octopus-4 - November 18 2012 at 03:21
Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 03:04
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

The Piper is opened by the recorded voice of the first Pink Floyd's producer.  High Hopes is closed by the phone call of the actual Pink Floyd producer to Charlie Gilmour. They are the same album, just the opening and the closure of a big suite 34 years long.
who is Charlie Gilmour
Son of the current wife of David Gilmour, adopted by the guitarist. You can hear the phone call some seconds after the end of High Hopes

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2012 at 00:41
Piper by a landslide
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2012 at 21:57
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Division Bell's got Stephen Hawking on it.

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Exactly, you're making my argument for me! He can't hold a tune to save his life!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2012 at 21:12
Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

Let me help:


The Division Bell is a masterfully executed concept symphonic album, while "Pepper" is experimental and too raw for me..

The musicianship on the Division Bell is an order of magnitude greater ... which comes with practice. Never mind the sound engineering. 

"Peeper" has two excellent songs and the rest are, IMO, nothing special. The Division Bell is sumptuous listening throughout. 

The Division Bell is melodic, and the lyrics do say somethign that has a meaning and is relevant to me. The "Pooper" lyrics are more like cute, but nonsensical nursery rhymes.



meh, to me Division Bell is stale and too tame. It's all very predictable and with barely any excitement going on. I don't think it's a bad record, but it just sounds like Floyd going through the motions without much passion. Piper is revolutionary on all fronts and sounds like nothing else, full of wonders and surprises. It probably also helps that I love LSD and Syd but that record captures a kind of magic innocence and fantasy that few others can.




beautifully putSmile....I find the same wonder even without the lsd
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