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    Posted: December 17 2012 at 00:13
Ok. I'll play this game

The greatest American band is without question

DREAM THEATER.

You want to talk about statistics Dream Theater have sold more than 10 million albums world wide. Highest grossing total for any progressive metal band on the planet and there is a good reason for it, and it's because they are a quality versatile band that has some of the strongest musicianship on planet earth. Nuff said.
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When thinking of great US bands, i think of Blue Cheer and Bloodrock, competition in heavy music, and of course Grand Funk, who were already mentioned
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Post Options Post Options   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2012 at 16:01
Originally posted by Dean


 
But... The greatest American band is System Of A Down.

I thought it was Green Day LOL

(but I like SOAD and I wouldn't feel bad if anybody suggests Serj Tankian for inclusion.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sumdeus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2012 at 15:34
Originally posted by Dean

But... The greatest American band is System Of A Down.



you're.... joking, right? please tell me you're joking...


as far as the best American bands it's definitely The Doors or Grateful Dead for me.


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Same goes for Transatlantic I guess.

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Originally posted by moshkito



Say, is Fleetwood Mac British or American now?

 
It's been 50/50 for quite some time ... you know that already, though!
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Yep, and so is (what's left from) King Crimson, and Foreigner as well. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2012 at 11:40
Originally posted by Epignosis

Logan, I would have offered Kansas, but several other choices were offered to you.

Say, is Fleetwood Mac British or American now?
 
It's been 50/50 for quite some time ... you know that already, though!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 22:00
Logan, I would have offered Kansas, but several other choices were offered to you.

Say, is Fleetwood Mac British or American now?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:45
Originally posted by thellama73

I don't think very highly of Aerosmith at all, but I'm hard pressed to think of another one, unless you count backing bands like the Jimi Hendrix Experience. Maybe Boston? I'm open to suggestion.
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Not much of an expert on American music and I know 4/5ths of sod all about 70s americana but I would have listed bands from the 80s & 90s as well REM, Talking Heads (in the 80s), Pearl Jam, Nirvana, RCHP, Heart (in the 80s)...
 
Where America excell is in mainstream Metal - Metallica, Slayer, Pantera, Megadeth, Machine Head, Type O Negative, Korn, Death, Faith No More, Anthrax, Fear Factory, etc.
 
But... The greatest American band is System Of A Down.


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I really like that you mentioned Zevon. 

I listen to Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner every week.

As for which band came where? I could care less.

And The Band were (mostly) Canadian. One of my favorite musical groups, but not entirely a US rock band.
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Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by thellama73

Zappa and Neil Young aren't bands (Neil Young is Canadian, anyway). I am not rally a fan of any of the others mentioned, although CC Revival are pretty good.

Each to his own then.  The Doors were way more important to rock music than Aerosmith.  I thought you said greatest and not just the one that's your favourite?


My point was that I initially thought it absurd that Aerosmith could call themselves that, but I was surprised to have such difficulty coming up with American bands I like better. I think it says something about the quality of American rock music compared to Britain. When I think rock bands, I immediately think of The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Dire Straits, Queen, etc.

America does have some great solo artists, though. Hendrix, Dylan, Alice Cooper, Springsteen, Zappa, Beefheart, Warren Zevon, etc. Maybe something to do with our individualistic nature.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tamijo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:16
Originally posted by thellama73

Zappa and Neil Young aren't bands (Neil Young is Canadian, anyway). I am not rally a fan of any of the others mentioned, although CC Revival are pretty good.

Not a big fan of everything I have mentioned myself, was just saying, US have produced quite a few fine rock bands.
Aerosmits are not that bad either, as a straight up rock act.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:15
Originally posted by thellama73

Zappa and Neil Young aren't bands (Neil Young is Canadian, anyway). I am not rally a fan of any of the others mentioned, although CC Revival are pretty good.

Each to his own then.  The Doors were way more important to rock music than Aerosmith.  I thought you said greatest and not just the one that's your favourite?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:13
Originally posted by tamijo

US did actually produce a number of fine acts, but in the 70's UK was a solid diamond mine in great music.

Yep, I think that the more popular bands like Aerosmith, KISS or GNR give American rock a bit of a bad name.  If you exclude prog and consider only straight up rock, it doesn't match up so badly with British rock.
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Guns n Roses, Van H., at least as good I guess, 
Talking H. Def. better I'm my taste.

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Zappa and Neil Young aren't bands (Neil Young is Canadian, anyway). I am not rally a fan of any of the others mentioned, although CC Revival are pretty good.
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Tool, Metalica, The Mars Volta, Pearl Jam, Mega D. , aren't they all US Rock bands. Better than Aerosmith ?
Then the classics : Doors, Zappa, CC revival, N. Young, Thin Lizzy, Lynyrd. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote silverpot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:00
Originally posted by thellama73

Originally posted by Epignosis

Originally posted by thellama73

Originally posted by moodyxadi

Originally posted by sagichim

And among all the US bands how many of them were 70's bands? Maybe most of them came much later?


THAT is the question that solves the "problem". "America the Great" feelings aside, the assumptions made by the "statistics"' results are plainly wrong. Deal with it.

Jazz? US rules. Pop music? They sell more. Quality and expansion even of native music genres? Ops, Old Europe kicks hard some a$$es.  


When I worked at a record store, a new Aerosmith CD came in with a sticker proclaiming "America's Greatest Rock Band." I thought: "That can't be true! What about...?" and then couldn't think of any American rock bands. I am as much of a patriot as anyone, but Britain clearly destroys us at music.


Brainfrating aside, are you now suggesting that Aerosmith is America's greatest rock band?  That would be surprising.


I don't think very highly of Aerosmith at all, but I'm hard pressed to think of another one, unless you count backing bands like the Jimi Hendrix Experience. Maybe Boston? I'm open to suggestion.


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US did actually produce a number of fine acts, but in the 70's UK was a solid diamond mine in great music.
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The Doors?  Van Halen?  Alice in Chains? Hell, Nirvana?  And I haven't heard very much of The Band but they must be better than Aerosmith too 'coz it can't be very hard?
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