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Poll Question: who is the biggest innovatour in rock, prog and music overall
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    Posted: December 08 2012 at 13:11
they to me is the two most innovative figures of rock overall, they made trends rather then follow them they staked the course for other, be it glam, prog, metal, new wave or experimental music, they helped define other peoples sounds as much as they took controll of theirs, Fripp in his moniker King Crimson, and Bowie as Bowie, in any incarnation, or alias,

where whould rock have been had it not been for In Court of the Crimson King and the Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars,


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Robert BY FAR
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There is relatively not a lot from Bowie that really fascinated me. Fripp has a greater chance of striking me.

Fripp.
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Fripp because he is vital to prog IMO.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2012 at 13:19
without Bowie there whould hardly bee any Art rock 
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^ I'm not sold. What about ELO and PF? And I don't hear any Bowie influence in Talking Heads' late 70's music.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2012 at 13:27
Bowie did innovative stuff before ELO,, but yes Pink Floyd and Velvet Underground were the innisitators of art rock but Bowie made it into art rock, by his non-compromising mind and his way of doing unusual chords and eccentrik ideas concepts,

Bowie created a well of ideas in teh early 70s and and also teh Berlin trilogy which sort of degines the singer/songwriter legasy of art rock
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Tough one.  I think both are very important figures in music, Robert more so in prog (although he probably also had some influence on metal and punk), David moreso in rock and pop.  I love both though.  Can't decide.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2012 at 13:32
Originally posted by aginor

Bowie did innovative stuff before ELO,, but yes Pink Floyd and Velvet Underground were the innisitators of art rock but Bowie made it into art rock, by his non-compromising mind and his way of doing unusual chords and eccentrik ideas concepts, 

Bowie created a well of ideas in teh early 70s and and also teh Berlin trilogy which sort of degines the singer/songwriter legasy of art rock

Nonetheless, the Crims did more things: the initiation of prog (In The Court, with the help of Fripp), the veering into the metal realm with prog (Larks'), slick production ahead of its time (Red), a curious mix of New Wave and pop with prog (Discipline), etc. 

Bowie has his merits of novelty too.

Originally posted by aginor

... Bowie made it into art rock, by his non-compromising mind and his way of doing unusual chords and eccentrik ideas concepts ...
He wasn't the first one to do that.


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As awesome as Bowie is, I vote Fripp without hesitation.  I have burned out on Bowie several times in the past.  Besides, the Bowie I like best is with Fripp (and Eno).
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^ Hey, what do you know? How could I forget about the collaborations? Now that aginor mentioned the Berlin Trilogy, he need not forget that Bowie did not craft those alone.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 08 2012 at 13:42
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In terms of popular art rock, Bowie by far. In terms of pure prog, Fripp.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote hellogoodbye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2012 at 13:56
I vote Bowie, but I love Fripp, Byrne or Eno. I grew up with that kind of musicians who have spent their lives wondering
 
about their art. I think that a good musician is a musician who fights the habit. A good listener too, no Question
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^ Confused What habit? 
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Originally posted by aginor

where whould rock have been had it not been for [...] the Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars

As much as I like that album, I don't think it would have made much of a difference.
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Fripp, hands down: this poll won't even be close.

And isn't it interesting that one of Bowie's most widely recognized songs (Heroes) earned its fame largely because of RF's guitar playing?
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Originally posted by Neu!mann

Fripp, hands down: this poll won't even be close.

And isn't it interesting that one of Bowie's most widely recognized songs (Heroes) earned its fame largely because of RF's guitar playing?
And Rick Wakeman's keyboards if I remember correctly...however if I exclude KC I prefer Bowie to Fripp's solo works.
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Originally posted by Man With Hat

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From "Space Oddity" to "Ashes to Ashes" to be clearer. If you ask Bowie vs King Crimson I vote for the second.
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