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Poll Question: who is the biggest innovatour in rock, prog and music overall
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    Posted: March 19 2013 at 09:09
One invented glam rock, but the other one had an important role in making the  first Prog Rock album. I respect Bowie very much, but i also believe that Fripp has always been an important character in Prog scene. so I'll choose Fripp
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2013 at 16:20
I honestly never thought about Bowie as an innovator. He walked whrough a lot of musical styles, he changed many appearances, but did he invented much? Nope. He was not a creator of glam rock, nor punk rock, nor anything else, — though 'The Man Who Sold the World' influenced goth rock and darkwave a lot, that's still not a big merit as there was a lot of other influences when those genres appeared, more contemporary for that time. So he's an excellent and versatile musician who had great influence on music as a person, but not really as innovator.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2013 at 15:25
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ What about the point of innovation (as it says in the question)?

Poll Question: who is the biggest innovatour in rock, prog and music overall

When it comes to the question of  "music overall" Bowie still wins hands down even if Fripp is arguably more innovative.  IMHO!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2013 at 15:19
^ What about the point of innovation (as it says in the question)?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2013 at 15:17
Bowie is clearly deserving of merit but I prefer Fripp on many points
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2013 at 11:21
Too easy - Fripp all day long. Genius!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2013 at 08:42
Fripp is a cut above.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2013 at 02:10
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^I actually agree with everything you said, but I feel that Bowie rivals Fripp in innovation and quality - be that in a lyrical context. Fripp never had that, not that he needed to eitherLOL
 
You got me, on the lyrical side, Bowie is a clear winner LOL
On a side note, i agree there is a connection, and i do LOVE Bowie a lot, he did very well in the 70's, his acting (in films and as a rock musicial) is outstanding, and he has this way of changing in unexpected ways.
And he also seems to be quite a nice person (i guess)
 


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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2013 at 02:00
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

^I actually agree with everything you said, but I feel that Bowie rivals Fripp in innovation and quality - be that in a lyrical context. Fripp never had that, not that he needed to eitherLOL
 
You got me, on the lyrical side, Bowie is a clear winner LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2013 at 13:00
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2013 at 12:58
Unlike with links, you don't have to erase the first www. with vidsWink

EDIT: NevermindLOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2013 at 12:56
They are both so different.  And both were so influential.  But Bowie's influence on "popular" music was immense.  So as much as I love Robert Fripp's music  Bowie wins hands down.

I was very lucky to get to see The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium.  That concert was a life changer.

Also, I found a great documentary about David Bowie's early years on Youtube.  Definitely worth watching.








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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2013 at 12:42
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2013 at 11:59
BTW Fripp without glasses looks a bit like Bowie. There was a great photo to illustrate my words but now I cannot find it Ermm

It was something like that:



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2013 at 11:49
Fripp vs Bowie? LOL
Fripp is incomparable, so with all my love and respect for Bowie, I have to vote for the King.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2013 at 09:44
Another thing they have in common, is the way they each have been able to listen to the musicians surrounding them and let them do their thing - include and use whatever is available. Step back and see what unfolds. That is something they've done most of their respectable careers - and many a times with the same musicians. Good ears on both of em.

Edited by Guldbamsen - March 15 2013 at 11:52
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2013 at 09:37
^I actually agree with everything you said, but I feel that Bowie rivals Fripp in innovation and quality - be that in a lyrical context. Fripp never had that, not that he needed to eitherLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2013 at 09:32

Vote goes to fripp, his journey is just amasing, im not talking about ITCOTCK or KC especialy, but the fact that he has been involved in so many fantastic and very diffrent stages of Rock music.

He created and constantly changes KC; he plays an important role in the Eno catalog; he made so amasingly many cool people work together on  Exposure, he had more than 10 fingers in the creation of PG's solo career, he played those amasing guitar solos on Bowie's Heroes & Scary Monsters, Ten Seconds, Sylvian, Summers, The L O Gentlemen, The L O C guitarists, FFWD, Bill Rieflin, No-Man, and a lot more.

The music he was involved in have been insanely wide spread, but allways interesting and most of it is totaly fantastic. Actualy im sometimes a bit sad, how his KC stuff seems to be the only part of his music, that people find very interesting on PA, im my book, its just a fraction of his contribution.

Bowie is great, he has also changed a lot, and some of the stuff he did was super cool, but compared to fripp, he dosent stand a chance to get my vote.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2013 at 08:53
Both, and while the poll may seem like apples and oranges - there is indeed a connection between these musical chameleons, who have shed their skin so many times, be that in very different ways.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2013 at 08:33
Bowie.
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