Is Robert Fripp Overrated?

rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: its quite complex actually what im talking about because the crims has hardly ever been like that ,following the verse-chorus-verse pattern, there's just so much going on, but for that particular song yes and my ears and brain just wont allow too much repetition and in the case of Lizard I like the Jon Anderson "Prince Rupert Awakes" part very much ITS PERFECTLY EXECUTED but "The Battle of Glass Tears" doesn't do anything for me its saxes on top of saxes and more saxes and it all sounds too repetitve and in the case of "The Talking Drum" it just deosn't do anything for me it has violins on top of annoying and repetitive passages and for Red the guitar repeats itself over and over I wonder how is it your brain allows the repetition in Heart of the Sunrise, Close to the Edge, Firth of the fifth, La Villa Strangiato, Jacob's Ladder to name but a few tracks?   Please, reinforcement is a widely used device and is great to build momentum/tension.    I'll make it simple for you:  the thing with KC is not much of their music is accessible nor is its direction immediately evident.   It tends to be twisted and weird, especially in comparison to Yes/Genesis/Rush.  I have been a fan of those three bands for longer than KC so I do know what I am talking about there.   Now, you are going to have a hard time convincing a lot of people on this board that it's a bad thing for music to be twisted and weird.  Perhaps if you were not in a hurry to form opinions about the music you listen to (and opinions about people who like music that you don't like), you'd find it easier to appreciate not only KC but lot many other bands.

Those songs(most of them) are well crafted in my opinion, Heart of the Sunrise keeps you on your listening ears it's not as repetitive as you might think, though those guitar lines from Steve occur quite often it's never really as repetitive, Close to the Edge is not repetitive I feel, it's executed nicely and the changes in the guitar,bass, drums in the second verse is a mind-blower, Firth of Fifth does have it's moments of repetition though I tend to love Steve's solo on that one, La Villa Strangiato though somewhat repetitive goes through a few other passages that makes it good IMO,I love Alex's solo during his little spotlight it's just so intense, and Jacob's Ladder though decent has never really been a favorite of mine from Rush it is quite repetitive

moshkito wrote: Hi,   I'm worried about people considering him/her/anyone a jerk or this or that ... because the one chance they had to meet their "hero", went away ... and those people's opinions of the person and the work are affected by the attitude.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:  ... The difference is that Fripp was never my hero, I don't like his music except ITCOTCK and Starless. I only base my opinions in own experience and testimonies of persons who treated him. Iván

Edited by moshkito - December 26 2012 at 14:46

Terry Kath (chicago's guitar player) was a much better IMO and more under-rated than just about anybody.

ProgEpics wrote: Terry Kath (chicago's guitar player) was a much better IMO and more under-rated than just about anybody.

Define "better".

^  E-eh?* Care to elaborate on that?

Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 26 2012 at 19:47

Dayvenkirq wrote: ^  E-eh?* Care to elaborate on that? *Maybe I really should get to listening to some Chicago albums, but from what I've heard thus far ... .

I got the remastered Larks Tongues today. Bloody superb stuff.

Ambient Hurricanes wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Ambient Hurricanes wrote: sagichim wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: he didn't save prog rock with Discipline, remember the band was on hiatus from 75-80 I 'd argue that Rush saved prog rock when others were either going extinct or "selling out" with 2112-Moving Pictures then they came back with Discipline, all you guys are acting as if Fripp is god or something, I know I'm gonna hear about it from someone Ambient Hurricanes wrote: He has a point about Rush.  They were holding the fort down during the late 70's (even though they weren't actually considered prog at the time). Do you really think Rush was the most progressive band during the 80's?? Dig a little deeper there were dozens of bands playing new, exciting and experimental music, from all over the world. Didn't say they were the only one, or the most progressive.  They were one of the only more commercially successful bands to continue making prog during the late 70s and early 80s, when most of the other big-name prog groups were moving in a more pop-oriented direction. commercial no way Not making "commercial" music, but "commercially successful."  Rush was huge when Moving Pictures came out.  Today, they very well may be the most commercially successful progressive rock band in the world.

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Today, they very well may be the most commercially successful progressive rock band in the world. In other words the most successful prog rock band ever

Yeah, because the commercial success is all that matters.  How did I not think of this before?

Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 27 2012 at 18:43