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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2015 at 10:55
Originally posted by ultra plinian ultra plinian wrote:

Robert Fripp hasn't been revered enough. I would say he is one of the most innovated and influential guitarists of the 20th century, certainly in progressive circles.
 
 
I think the belief system that Robert adheres to is not exactly about that kind of thing, as it tends to raise an ego level that would not necessarily be good for the art or the work. It's not what the "work" he does is about at all! This was very much in the eyes of Gurdgieff and Ouspensky, and I think there is a relation here. At least, from a directing/acting stand point the cohesion of the work makes more sense with these processes in place.
 
The few comments about their rehearsals and ways to create some music would also suggest there is a similar link to the work that Peter Brook has also done with actors for 50 years, and they use many exercises and suggestions by those folks previously. I have written, elsewhere, about these similarities and included some exercises used on stage that can also be used by musicians if they weren't so full of themselves and were willing to explore new territories and feelings.
 
See the movie "Meetings with Remarkable Men", and nothing really is clear until you see the synchronicity in the end of the film! THAT would be the natural and desired consequence of the work involved!
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2016 at 21:03
I'm going to say no without providing any reason.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2016 at 21:15
Yes, not only does he seem really arrogant and pretentious, but I find a lot of his guitar playing to be pretty dull.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 04:07
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by sagichim sagichim wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

 
I'll answer those for you since I study this sh*t. In The Court is, Lizard is, and Red is not. How about thatShockedShocked


LOL Now this is funny.


I'm a music student and I study Prog Rock don't see how that's amusing to u

Mr. ProgMetaller2112 the music student is studying this sh*t (=Prog Rock) and has the answer for us on the first page. At page 22 I find it even funnier and more amusing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 08:03
Absolutely top-class guitarist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 08:13
Robert is a an example of an extremely gifted guitarist, and a musical legend, in the open ended world of prog ,the disciplinal approach, he has towards guitar playing in general  shows he is not a showoff or the usual, lighting solos, knows that he is a man of restraint letting the composition speak for itself at least 3 songs in kc catalog such as starless ,larks in tongue aspic (part 2), 20th century schizoid man, all show his command of his instrument.  This as to what has he done lately, simply does not hold a valid argument.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 10:30
The concept of overrating is overrated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 14:51
I think that Fripp is overrated by some but is underrated by more. He's definitely not a musical god who can do no wrong; I frankly find some of his material absolutely awful. 

But there's no denying that he's innovative, influential, and one of the most prolific, inventive creative minds of 20th century music. And very versatile, too! Regardless of whether you care for King Crimson's material, you can't deny that he can get such a great range of sounds out of his instrument, not even considering how many thoughtfully composed songs and orchestrations he has under his belt.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 15:24
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by sagichim sagichim wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

 
I'll answer those for you since I study this sh*t. In The Court is, Lizard is, and Red is not. How about thatShockedShocked


LOL Now this is funny.


I'm a music student and I study Prog Rock don't see how that's amusing to u

Mr. ProgMetaller2112 the music student is studying this sh*t (=Prog Rock) and has the answer for us on the first page. At page 22 I find it even funnier and more amusing.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 15:29
Originally posted by frajo99 frajo99 wrote:

I'm going to say no without providing any reason.


that's a novel idea.. LOL

overrated? Depends. One of the most important figures in prog.. he ventures into overrated territory if one tried to claim him as THE most important. That title belongs to, like him or popular or not, Emerson. Thumbs Up No Emerson.. no prog as we knew it. You can't say that about Fripp...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 15:35
Masterful musical mind. Period. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 15:57
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by frajo99 frajo99 wrote:

I'm going to say no without providing any reason.


that's a novel idea.. LOL

overrated? Depends. One of the most important figures in prog.. he ventures into overrated territory if one tried to claim him as THE most important. That title belongs to, like him or popular or not, Emerson. Thumbs Up No Emerson.. no prog as we knew it. You can't say that about Fripp...
Emerson didn't use a Mellotron.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 16:05
like he needed to LOL... MOOG!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 18:39
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 21:54
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

like he needed to LOL... MOOG!!!!
Indeed. Made you spell it out.
The only issue for me would be my general bias toward guitar over keyboards.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 22:05
In fact, the comparison between Fripp and Emerson is quite interesting. Fripp is often complimented for his restraint and lack of showboating, which is quite a contrast from Emerson who didn't even want a guitarist (electric guitarist) in the band to compete with. Sometimes I ponder whether Fripp took that restraint too far.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 22:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2016 at 22:38
One of my favorite solos from Fripp is from the track St. Elmo's Fire on Brian Eno's Another Green World. Crazy good. This track also has Phil Collins on percussion! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2016 at 13:39
No. Has been a part of some truly great music as collaborator and band member.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2016 at 04:06
Pure class; but couldn't keep a band together to save his life. Ideal session guitarist.
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