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    Posted: February 17 2013 at 02:34
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Voted Mastodon because they are not overtly pretentious like Dream Theater Ouch.

Yes, concept albums about Moby Dick and Rasputin in space are absolutely down-to-earth!Wink
(For the record, I like Mastodon)

Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

but from listening to the music all it seems like is these bands take a few more accessible elements of metal and twist them to be fused with pop rock elements to be presented to a wider more mainstream audience.

No, you must be mistaken. That was in the 80s and they called it "hair metal". LOL

On a more serious note, while 'hipster metal' bands like Mastodon are certainly more accessible to a non-metal audience than, say, straightforward black metal, they're certainly not very accessible to a mainstream audience either, at least not prior to The Hunter. They incorporate lots of elements from hardcore punk (less so in recent years), stoner rock, progressive rock, psychedelic rock and whatnot, none of which are very mainstream genres to begin with. I can't speak for other 'hipster-approved' metal bands, Mastodon certainly aren't fusing metal with pop rock. Even more than in prog, there's a sad tendency in the metal scene to cry "sellout!" any time a band reaches a wider, non-metal audience.


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Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

while I don't like Mastodon, I don't particularly hate them so they win this one


what is it about Mastodon you don't like, Rome??. Voted Mastodon because they are not overtly pretentious like Dream Theater Ouch. Like the Bearded Bard said "Crack The Skye" beats anything Dream Theater has done Ouch


i feel like someone has asked me about this before because i remember people getting mad at my reply hehe... pretty much the vocals are terrible and beyond that the instrumentation is alright but nothing that special, plus i have disdain for them for creating whole trend of hipster metal that was really popular for a while with Baroness and all those other bands that play rock music dressed up as metal so that hipsters who don't like metal can listen to it and pretend they are listening to metal.

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Dream Theater is one of my favorite Prog Metal Bands and so is Mastodon.
They sound better to me than those Mathcore bands. LOL


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Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:


I can understand the vocals but to me they've working at it for the last few albums and have been getting better at them, I don't know how much Cannabis you've been smoking, Rome because Mastodon is not Hipster Metal. These are examples of Hipster Metal bands(Liturgy,  The Locust, Job For A Cowboy, etc). That last bit doesn't make much sense to me


liturgy are the ultimate hipsters yes. not sure who locust are and as for JFAC, they're not really hipsters, just crappy deathcore turned generic death metal.

what i mean about mastodon though is they and baroness stared this whole trend with tons of people praising them as the best metal to come out in years and tons of bands imitating them musically and visually but from listening to the music all it seems like is these bands take a few more accessible elements of metal and twist them to be fused with pop rock elements to be presented to a wider more mainstream audience.

and for the record, i've been smoking so much cannabis. :P


But I really do think that Mastodon is the best band to come out in a while in Metal but that's just my opinion. Woah Mastodon really weren't trying to start all that crap that came after them Ouch
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:


I can understand the vocals but to me they've working at it for the last few albums and have been getting better at them, I don't know how much Cannabis you've been smoking, Rome because Mastodon is not Hipster Metal. These are examples of Hipster Metal bands(Liturgy,  The Locust, Job For A Cowboy, etc). That last bit doesn't make much sense to me


liturgy are the ultimate hipsters yes. not sure who locust are and as for JFAC, they're not really hipsters, just crappy deathcore turned generic death metal.

what i mean about mastodon though is they and baroness stared this whole trend with tons of people praising them as the best metal to come out in years and tons of bands imitating them musically and visually but from listening to the music all it seems like is these bands take a few more accessible elements of metal and twist them to be fused with pop rock elements to be presented to a wider more mainstream audience.

and for the record, i've been smoking so much cannabis. :P


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Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

while I don't like Mastodon, I don't particularly hate them so they win this one


what is it about Mastodon you don't like, Rome??. Voted Mastodon because they are not overtly pretentious like Dream Theater Ouch. Like the Bearded Bard said "Crack The Skye" beats anything Dream Theater has done Ouch


i feel like someone has asked me about this before because i remember people getting mad at my reply hehe... pretty much the vocals are terrible and beyond that the instrumentation is alright but nothing that special, plus i have disdain for them for creating whole trend of hipster metal that was really popular for a while with Baroness and all those other bands that play rock music dressed up as metal so that hipsters who don't like metal can listen to it and pretend they are listening to metal.

My feelings exactly.

I don't hate them, I just can't understand all the hype about an average band. And yes, I have Crack The Skye.

And for all the hate against LaBrie, the singer for Mastodon sounds like Ozzy Osbourne on a bad day. Imo.
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Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

while I don't like Mastodon, I don't particularly hate them so they win this one


what is it about Mastodon you don't like, Rome??. Voted Mastodon because they are not overtly pretentious like Dream Theater Ouch. Like the Bearded Bard said "Crack The Skye" beats anything Dream Theater has done Ouch


i feel like someone has asked me about this before because i remember people getting mad at my reply hehe... pretty much the vocals are terrible and beyond that the instrumentation is alright but nothing that special, plus i have disdain for them for creating whole trend of hipster metal that was really popular for a while with Baroness and all those other bands that play rock music dressed up as metal so that hipsters who don't like metal can listen to it and pretend they are listening to metal.


I can understand the vocals but to me they've working at it for the last few albums and have been getting better at them, I don't know how much Cannabis you've been smoking, Rome because Mastodon is not Hipster Metal. These are examples of Hipster Metal bands(Liturgy,  The Locust, Job For A Cowboy, etc). That last bit doesn't make much sense to me
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

while I don't like Mastodon, I don't particularly hate them so they win this one


what is it about Mastodon you don't like, Rome??. Voted Mastodon because they are not overtly pretentious like Dream Theater Ouch. Like the Bearded Bard said "Crack The Skye" beats anything Dream Theater has done Ouch


i feel like someone has asked me about this before because i remember people getting mad at my reply hehe... pretty much the vocals are terrible and beyond that the instrumentation is alright but nothing that special, plus i have disdain for them for creating whole trend of hipster metal that was really popular for a while with Baroness and all those other bands that play rock music dressed up as metal so that hipsters who don't like metal can listen to it and pretend they are listening to metal.


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I have bought several albums by each band. While I wasn't overly impressed with either bands, Mastodon gets my vote, as I at least like a few of their songs. As for Dream Theater... it's all sh*t. LOL
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^ Yes it does. Brilliant. brilliant, brilliant album 
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Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

while I don't like Mastodon, I don't particularly hate them so they win this one


what is it about Mastodon you don't like, Rome??. Voted Mastodon because they are not overtly pretentious like Dream Theater Ouch. Like the Bearded Bard said "Crack The Skye" beats anything Dream Theater has done Ouch
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while I don't like Mastodon, I don't particularly hate them so they win this one
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Dream Theater for me easily.

I particularly (usually) enjoy LaBrie's vocals. And frankly, he still sounds pretty 20+ years later. His ability is definitely top notch.
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Well, for me IAW and Awake are are unbeatable classics.
What I have heard from Mastodon has not make me too excited.
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DT, easily.
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I prefer Crack the Skye to any DT album I've heard, so...Mastodon.
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^^^

It's a bit of a reaction to the hype.  If there's a bunch of fans praising him to the skies (not their fault if they like it) and saying he sings like no other singer and what you hear is...like, well....it can trigger a reaction.   

I've had that thing myself with Bruce Dickinson...get pretty tired of the fans raving about him and never acknowledging his predecessor's role in the band's success.  I am not interested in comparing the two but I do feel Di'Anno is a very good singer and shows some vulnerability in places that Bruce can't touch so I get incensed when they say stuff like "he is not fit to tie Bruce's boots".  And then they refuse to acknowledge Dio which would annoy me even more.   That made me a bit reluctant to appreciate Bruce...until I got the opportunity to watch him live.  Smile


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I don't understand all the hate for Labrie.  Not everyone is going to like his voice, obviously, but I can't hear anything he sings that sounds awful or anything.  It's simply a different style than what many people prefer.  Rogerthat offered a sensible critique of him which I thought was fair, but I don't get people saying "he's terrible" because honestly, I think that just simply isn't true.
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