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Poll Question: Who was the most integral member of Yes who defined their essence?
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    Posted: January 08 2013 at 23:22
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112

Originally posted by mister nobody

Originally posted by dwill123

Bill Bruford, looked what happened to them after he left.  Pretty much nothing.

Thank god he left Yes.

And my choice would be Steve Howe, easily.
why thank god he left Yes?? Yes's drums were never the same afterwardsConfused
I think what he meant was some sympathy for Bill, who felt like he would no longer belong in Yes' picture.
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Can't pick between Anderson and Squire.
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Originally posted by HolyMoly

Anderson is the spiritual core, and spirituality is central to what Yes is to me.


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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

 

 and I just wish Anderson would had left Yes long time ago


I'm curious about this: why would you say that? Because Fly From Here proves to be a better album that the albums before? Is your theory that Anderson was withholding a truly progressive Yes?

Still, ABWH was more progressive than Rabin era Yes in those days, and I wonder what would have happened if Squire c.s. wouldn't have teamed up in the past few years with Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes. 

It's a fascinating thought, though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote yanch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 08:06
For me it's Chris Squire. As important as Jon Anderson has been I can't envision Yes without Squire. I think Drama is a great example. That album is sometimes overlooked-not by knowledgeable fans, but by casual fans, but there is a lot of great material on that album and no Jon Anderson. I think even if he did not return they could have carried on well.

I do think that Steve Howe is also a key to a successfu Yes. His prescence was soarly missed during the Rabin incarnation of the Band. Rabin is a talented musician and fine guitarist, but seeing them live and listenint to Rabin try to play some of the older, Howe material was painful. I also didn't care for his more pop approach to Yes.
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^I enjoy Rabin playing Howe. In  some cases I prefer it. Starship Trooper for example
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Post Options Post Options   Quote twosteves Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 09:06
Anderson-Howe wrote most of the big classics with help from the rest---For me, before "The Yes Album" the group had some  ideas but was sorta not focused--they needed a genius guitarist to cement the ideas and Howe did that---
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Originally posted by Moogtron III

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

 

 and I just wish Anderson would had left Yes long time ago


I'm curious about this: why would you say that? Because Fly From Here proves to be a better album that the albums before? Is your theory that Anderson was withholding a truly progressive Yes?

Still, ABWH was more progressive than Rabin era Yes in those days, and I wonder what would have happened if Squire c.s. wouldn't have teamed up in the past few years with Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes. 

It's a fascinating thought, though.

Because I hate his castratto voice, it's like an ice pick in my eardrum.

I love Drama, 1,000 times better than Tormato, GFTO and even Tales, because of Trevor Horn's voice.

And Yes, IMO Fly From Here is better than any post Relayer album, except Drama

I love Yes music, but they are not uiin my top 20 because Jon's voice

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Squire. You can hear on Time And A Word how much he dominated. Not too many bass gods back then compared to other instruments. Without replacements after that album, Yes could have wound up being known as that early prog band with the awesome bass player and girly singer (think Geddy Lee playing with a bunch of nobodies).
The bass licks in Roundabout and that Fish instrumental from Fragile seals the deal for my pick.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Moogtron III Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2013 at 11:54
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

Originally posted by Moogtron III

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

 

 and I just wish Anderson would had left Yes long time ago


I'm curious about this: why would you say that? Because Fly From Here proves to be a better album that the albums before? Is your theory that Anderson was withholding a truly progressive Yes?

Still, ABWH was more progressive than Rabin era Yes in those days, and I wonder what would have happened if Squire c.s. wouldn't have teamed up in the past few years with Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes. 

It's a fascinating thought, though.

Because I hate his castratto voice, it's like an ice pick in my eardrum.

I love Drama, 1,000 times better than Tormato, GFTO and even Tales, because of Trevor Horn's voice.

And Yes, IMO Fly From Here is better than any post Relayer album, except Drama

I love Yes music, but they are not uiin my top 20 because Jon's voice

Iván

Right, now I understand. It's the voice, not the compositions. Yes, I'm not to keen on Anderson's voice myself, though I don't hate it.

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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M



Originally posted by Moogtron III


Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

 
 and I just wish Anderson would had left Yes long time ago
I'm curious about this: why would you say that? Because Fly From Here proves to be a better album that the albums before? Is your theory that Anderson was withholding a truly progressive Yes?
Still, ABWH was more progressive than Rabin era Yes in those days, and I wonder what would have happened if Squire c.s. wouldn't have teamed up in the past few years with Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes. 
It's a fascinating thought, though.

Because I hate his castratto voice, it's like an ice pick in my eardrum.
I love Drama, 1,000 times better than Tormato, GFTO and even Tales, because of Trevor Horn's voice.
And Yes, IMO Fly From Here is better than any post Relayer album, except Drama
I love Yes music, but they are not uiin my top 20 because Jon's voice
Iván



Did you get the Live at Lyon album? Perhaps you would find it interesting, to have many of the classic Yes songs without Anderson (though for me, Benoit sounds close enough to Anderson, so I don't know if it would be much of a difference for you). Perhaps they'll release a new live album with Davison next, which you might find interesting too. As for me, neither of the 3 singers who have replaced Anderson are quiet as great, they may be close enough (specially Benoit), but they kind of lack the magic that make me love his singing. I guess the one that really did a wonderful job for me with one of his songs was Annie Haslam singing "Turn of the Century".
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I think the album to judge Yes without Squire is the Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe album - which I didn't think was very good. Over produced. Too much Anderson  'New Age'. Maybe lacking some rock ooomph from Squire???
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I got that album at the time but it didn't age well...
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Originally posted by robotson21

I think the album to judge Yes without Squire is the Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe album - which I didn't think was very good. Over produced. Too much Anderson  'New Age'. Maybe lacking some rock ooomph from Squire???

I love Anderson's singing but with ABWH and with subsequent Yes albums there was too much ANderson airey fairy stuff (as Howe had said) and not enough jamming by the 3 great guys Howe, White and Squire. Hope new album has more playing less lyrics.
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Good, I'm not crazy, the poll agrees with me...cos it's gotta be Anderson. Rick's great, but lotsa guys did "keyboards." Chris and Bill are great, but lotsa guys did "rhythm." And Howe's country licks were definitely different and distinct, but integral to the sound of YES? NO. Heh. God I'm clever. 

Ahem. But it is the helium induced vocals of one J. Anderson that make all Yes albums sound like Yes albums. The vocals and the spiritual, mystical hoo-hah. The best bet, I would think, is not to look at the albums minus key members, but to look at said members solo works. I'm mainly familiar with Anderson and Wakeman, but it's easy to tell between those two who sounds more like "classic" Yes...

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Originally posted by twosteves


Originally posted by robotson21

I think the album to judge Yes without Squire is the Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe album - which I didn't think was very good. Over produced. Too much Anderson  'New Age'. Maybe lacking some rock ooomph from Squire???

I love Anderson's singing but with ABWH and with subsequent Yes albums there was too much ANderson airey fairy stuff (as Howe had said) and not enough jamming by the 3 great guys Howe, White and Squire. Hope new album has more playing less lyrics.


But ABWH would have to be compared with Trevor Rabin's Yes, not with the Yes of the 70's, to put it in perspective of the times...
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Originally posted by Dellinger

Originally posted by twosteves


Originally posted by robotson21

I think the album to judge Yes without Squire is the Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe album - which I didn't think was very good. Over produced. Too much Anderson  'New Age'. Maybe lacking some rock ooomph from Squire???

I love Anderson's singing but with ABWH and with subsequent Yes albums there was too much ANderson airey fairy stuff (as Howe had said) and not enough jamming by the 3 great guys Howe, White and Squire. Hope new album has more playing less lyrics.


But ABWH would have to be compared with Trevor Rabin's Yes, not with the Yes of the 70's, to put it in perspective of the times...

well I like ABWH better in that case--at least I still listen to it now and then for the playing---can't say the same for Yes west
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Originally posted by twosteves


Originally posted by Dellinger

Originally posted by twosteves


Originally posted by robotson21

I think the album to judge Yes without Squire is the Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe album - which I didn't think was very good. Over produced. Too much Anderson  'New Age'. Maybe lacking some rock ooomph from Squire???

I love Anderson's singing but with ABWH and with subsequent Yes albums there was too much ANderson airey fairy stuff (as Howe had said) and not enough jamming by the 3 great guys Howe, White and Squire. Hope new album has more playing less lyrics.


But ABWH would have to be compared with Trevor Rabin's Yes, not with the Yes of the 70's, to put it in perspective of the times...

well I like ABWH better in that case--at least I still listen to it now and then for the playing---can't say the same for Yes west


However, by far my favourite song from either ABWH or Yes West is "Endless Dream".
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There are grounds for suggesting several members:

- Jon Anderson for overall musical direction,
- Steve Howe for his writing and playing,
- Chris Squire for his writing and playing and permanence,
- Rick Wakeman for bringing the classical influence which cemented their classic albums,
- Alan White for his rudimental (not rudimentary) drumming and his energy and his ears which are THIS BIG.

But the crux of Yes, what made their classic albums unique, was never being the outlet for a single person's vision e.g. ELO, Tull. What you hear on Close To The Edge, on Tales, on Going For The One, is a bunch of excellent musicians all in the same room and arguing over everything. Take that away and you're left with some interesting solo work - but it's not Yes.
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