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Poll Question: Who was the most integral member of Yes who defined their essence?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote twosteves Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2013 at 23:20
Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:

There are grounds for suggesting several members:

- Jon Anderson for overall musical direction,
- Steve Howe for his writing and playing,
- Chris Squire for his writing and playing and permanence,
- Rick Wakeman for bringing the classical influence which cemented their classic albums,
- Alan White for his rudimental (not rudimentary) drumming and his energy and his ears which are THIS BIG.

But the crux of Yes, what made their classic albums unique, was never being the outlet for a single person's vision e.g. ELO, Tull. What you hear on Close To The Edge, on Tales, on Going For The One, is a bunch of excellent musicians all in the same room and arguing over everything. Take that away and you're left with some interesting solo work - but it's not Yes.

Think what you say here is correct---great Yes --the best Yes music is 5 amazing musicians jamming and hammering it out---which is why Yes west could never be great---and other Yes line-ups produced mediocrity.
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^ What's Yes West?
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As a bass player, I kinda have an extra amount of appreciation for what Squire does for their sound. Wasn't till I took up the bass when I realized how great of a role he plays. He's the best kind of bass player: rarely follows the other instruments at all, yet his basslines work perfectly with the rest. I vote for him.
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ What's Yes West?

come on you know the band all moved to California--Yes with Rabin otherwise know as Cinema. Everyone knows yo have to have cold damp weather (England) to make good progBig smile
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Howe for me. I love Squire's bass approach, but one of my favorite aspects of yes is Howe's soaring additions to the mix and inventiveness. Plus, his work on Relayer sets the bar miles above the heads of the vast majority of prog guitarists.
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Originally posted by Neo-Romantic Neo-Romantic wrote:

Howe for me. I love Squire's bass approach, but one of my favorite aspects of yes is Howe's soaring additions to the mix and inventiveness. Plus, his work on Relayer sets the bar miles above the heads of the vast majority of prog guitarists.

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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ What's Yes West?


Yes West stands for the Yes that produced albums with Trevor Horn and Trevor Rabin and who produced 90125 and Big Generator Wink
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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Originally posted by Neo-Romantic Neo-Romantic wrote:

Howe for me. I love Squire's bass approach, but one of my favorite aspects of yes is Howe's soaring additions to the mix and inventiveness. Plus, his work on Relayer sets the bar miles above the heads of the vast majority of prog guitarists.

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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ What's Yes West?
come on you know the band all moved to California--Yes with Rabin otherwise know as Cinema. Everyone knows yo have to have cold damp weather (England) to make good progBig smile
Never heard them referred to that way before.
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Successful bands are always synergistic entities (on many levels), which means they are more than the arithmetic sum of their members. Therefore, the question about who defined the success of Yes is hard to answer.

As for the "most integral member", that would have to be Chris Squire. He is the only member of Yes who has never left the band and played on all albums (yes, this IS important, since we are talking about the whole of the Yes career).

I'd also argue that the "Squire Sound" - even over the "Anderson Sound" - was the uniquely valuable component of the earlier Yes.  


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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ What's Yes West?
come on you know the band all moved to California--Yes with Rabin otherwise know as Cinema. Everyone knows yo have to have cold damp weather (England) to make good progBig smile
Never heard them referred to that way before.
 
They are often referred to as "Yes West". There were two versions of Yes around - the Rabin/Squire and the ABWH one and they eventually combined (well, sort of) on "Union".
 
As for the answer, it's either Anderson for his vocals and vision which are the heart of the classic Yes or Squire for being the only ever present member. Can't decide.
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Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

Successful bands are always synergistic entities (on many levels), which means they are more than the arithmetic sum of their members. Therefore, the question about who defined the success of Yes is hard to answer.
As for the "most integral member", it has to be Chris Squire. He is the only member of Yes who has never left the band and is playing on all albums (yes, this IS important, since we are talking about the whole of Yes career). I'd also argue that the "Squire Sound" - even over the "Anderson Sound" - was the uniquely valuable component of the earlier Yes.  


Well, for me ABWH is really Yes... more so than Yes West, actually. I don't know which legal reasons were there for them not being able to use the Yes name (surely Squire was somewhat involved, wheter intentionally or not), and besides, Union almost made ABWH oficially Yes. Plus, Anderson at least considers the ABWH album as a Yes album, and in some way the rest of the band had agreed with him... while he has been part of the band. If Anderson, Wakeman, and Rabbin end up making their new album together, I guess it would be as much a Yes album for me as "Fly from here" and the new album Yes is thinking about recording with Davison.

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Couldn't find David or Davison so decided not to bother..........
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Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

It's hard to determine Squire's importance, because he's played on every Yes album, so we don't have any albums without him to judge what impact his absence would have had. 

I'm going to have to go with Steve Howe; the band made at least one good album (90125) without him, but it didn't sound like Yes.  Whenever he's been a member, the band sounded like itself.
That's where you are wrong - we have Anderson, Wakeman and Howe, and it only sounds Yes-like.  As much as I love Tony Levin, he's not Squire.  I feel it's not even his bass playing, it's his harmony vocals that really make the Yes sound.<p>
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

Successful bands are always synergistic entities (on many levels), which means they are more than the arithmetic sum of their members. Therefore, the question about who defined the success of Yes is hard to answer.
As for the "most integral member", it has to be Chris Squire. He is the only member of Yes who has never left the band and is playing on all albums (yes, this IS important, since we are talking about the whole of Yes career). I'd also argue that the "Squire Sound" - even over the "Anderson Sound" - was the uniquely valuable component of the earlier Yes.  


Well, for me ABWH is really Yes... more so than Yes West, actually. I don't know which legar reasons were there for them not being able to use the Yes name (surely Squire was somewhat involved, wheter intentionally or not), and besides, Union almost made ABWH oficially Yes. Plus, Anderson at least considers the ABWH album as a Yes album, and in some way the rest of the band had agreed with him... while he has been part of the band. If Anderson, Wakeman, and Rabbin end up making their new album together, I guess it would be as much a Yes album for me as "Fly from here" and the new album Yes is thinking about recording with Davison.
I disagree.  Squire had nothing to do with ABWH until Union, and then it was only his vocals.  Whereas there are some definately Yes-like parts to ABWH, it's not Yes without Squire.  Remember, Anderson refuses to do anything from Drama, but Drama rocked - I would absolutely LOVE to hear Anderson sing Tempus Fugit!
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Originally posted by wehpanzer wehpanzer wrote:


Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

Successful bands are always synergistic entities (on many levels), which means they are more than the arithmetic sum of their members. Therefore, the question about who defined the success of Yes is hard to answer.
As for the "most integral member", it has to be Chris Squire. He is the only member of Yes who has never left the band and is playing on all albums (yes, this IS important, since we are talking about the whole of Yes career). I'd also argue that the "Squire Sound" - even over the "Anderson Sound" - was the uniquely valuable component of the earlier Yes.  


Well, for me ABWH is really Yes... more so than Yes West, actually. I don't know which legar reasons were there for them not being able to use the Yes name (surely Squire was somewhat involved, wheter intentionally or not), and besides, Union almost made ABWH oficially Yes. Plus, Anderson at least considers the ABWH album as a Yes album, and in some way the rest of the band had agreed with him... while he has been part of the band. If Anderson, Wakeman, and Rabbin end up making their new album together, I guess it would be as much a Yes album for me as "Fly from here" and the new album Yes is thinking about recording with Davison.

I disagree.  Squire had nothing to do with ABWH until Union, and then it was only his vocals.  Whereas there are some definately Yes-like parts to ABWH, it's not Yes without Squire.  Remember, Anderson refuses to do anything from Drama, but Drama rocked - I would absolutely LOVE to hear Anderson sing Tempus Fugit!


Exactly because Squire didn't have anything to do with ABWH is that ABWH is the perfect album to compare how important he was to the Yes sound. Of course, the other problem is that by the 80's they were already making different music than what they did in their prime, so if ABWH isn't as good as their 70's albums, we might blame the time of it's release more than the absence of Squire. Another way to judge who was more Yes might be listening to their solo albums in the 70's (which I haven't heard all, but I guess most here would go with Fish out of Water in that case as the most Yessy). Also, I guess you could compare the Drama and ABWH albums and choose which one better achieves the Yes trademark sound in order to choose between Anderson and Squire. Still, I would have a hard time choosing between Anderson and Squire as the most integral member, perhaps giving the edge to Anderson, and Howe comes in third place. Also, I guess you could compare the Drama and ABWH albums and choose which one better achieves the Yes trademark sound in order to choose between Anderson and Squire.
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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Anderson is the spiritual core, and spirituality is central to what Yes is to me.

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