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    Posted: August 09 2015 at 13:58
I think Tom (Rolland113) hit the nail on the head.

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I would also like to add a note...why are we so obsessed with "pigeon-holing" artists into a certain category. We should really just take the artists music on its own merits, and not worry about the much less important label we give it. Just sayin'...
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Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

A better answer (than my previous 'No') would be we this.  So many bands that were categorized based on their first album or two, or on what ever was their most popular album, or on what ever their most recent album was when they were suggested for inclusion.  There are so many different reasons that a band has been categorized where they have been.  There's a reason that they are in the genre that they are in now and doing revisionist history doesn't do us any good.

Let me give an example, Steven Wilson is tagged as a Crossover Prog artist, this was based on Insurgentes as that was the only album available when he was initially evaluated.  After 'The Raven That Refused to Sing' you could have made a strong case that he should be moved to Symphonic.  A couple years later he released 'Hand Cannot Erase' which I think is clearly Crossover, so we'd have moved him back?  It wouldn't have done any good to have had him moved.

There are many bands that were borderline cases for one genre or another.  There is enough to do other than reopening debates that were settled years ago.  Someone said this before, but can you imagine the chaos of the 'Should Genesis be moved to Crossover' thread?  

I strongly encourage anyone who is worried about the genre a particular band or especially an album is in, to do a review and describe the music in your terms.  I don't see a problem with a review that starts 'this album is more of an eclectic album than a symphonic, and here is why . . . "

Good point. I am also opposed to too much moving around of artists (and should be only done with caution in extremely rare cases). Many artists try a lot of styles throughout their career, which makes it extremely difficult to categorise an artist as such.
Heck, I remember how much Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel were moved around...Wacko LOL

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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Olav I judge vocals as instrumentals and this is certainly not a pub band,  sound quality is amazing, but they are a bit heavy loud with an oriental Bollywood feeling tho' :) not my usual preference listening preference overall taste tho' Big smile
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hehe, try ancient Norse chants as far as vocal origins goes, with medieval "giant ballads" as the flavoring. The core cultural origins may be traced back to India indeed, although ancient India rather than Bollywood as a matter of fact. But yeah, I know this isn't your turf. This one was a call of curiosity as far as style goes, as chants oriented vocals like this, with a lot of repeated elements, isn't all that common in modern music.

Incidentally, I listen to vocals as part of the instrumentation as well. Where I focus on harmonics and how the voice fits into the overall context rather than emotional intensity as such, which is why I've never been able to handle a band like Pavlov's Dog for instance, but why I enjoy for instance Green Carnation - and early Madrugada (the track I posted along with the Green Carnation one).

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Olav I judge vocals as instrumentals and this is certainly not a pub band,  sound quality is amazing, but they are a bit heavy loud with an oriental Bollywood feeling tho' :) not my usual preference listening preference overall taste tho' Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Windhawk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2015 at 00:53
Hehe, nothing new to me, just one of the many sides of me that you haven't come across yet. I tend to surprise people, even those who have known me for a long time.

Mumford was interesting, in an Americana sort of way, and southern at that, nice and emotionally laden. Nice use of the banjo, I'm fond of that instrument when used in a clever manner.

Out of curiosity, as someone who generally isn't all that fond of vocals, how do you like older vocal traditions? Here's an example :-)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2015 at 00:35
Windhawk]Hehe - thanks. And you're without doubt my favorite African :-)

I'll hit you with some Norwegian melancholy, hope you don't mind.


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Olav wow this is new for you Smile I like this actually, vocals too and this is a shocker considering I think most vocalist are not good really lol
Ha! I like this a lot not sure if it prog but I like it, the vocals and constant plewn plewm lelelelimlum guitars too :)
This vocalist reminds me a lot like the vocalist on Mumford and Sons. here:   Mumford & Sons - Lover Of The Light. I love the banjo now Big smile 
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Hehe - thanks. And you're without doubt my favorite African :-)

I'll hit you with some Norwegian melancholy, hope you don't mind.






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2015 at 19:46
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by echolynfan echolynfan wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Kati is not from this earth.
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Hahaha...I believe it :)
LOL lol Infocat, that's right I am a woman, very hard to understand as we seem to be from Venus Stern Smile 
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by echolynfan echolynfan wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Kati is not from this earth.
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Hahaha...I believe it :)
LOL lol Infocat, that's right I am a woman, very hard to understand as we seem to be from Venus Stern Smile 
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Originally posted by echolynfan echolynfan wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Kati is not from this earth.
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Hahaha...I believe it :)
LOL lol Infocat, that's right I am a woman, very hard to understand as we seem to be from Venus Stern Smile 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote echolynfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2015 at 16:18
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Listening to "Vanishing Sun" from the new album, btw!
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Love that tune...along with Once I Get Mine which just jams! Ray writes some pretty depressing stuff on this album...pretty painful in fact. It must be all that Death Metal he listens to lol


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Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Kati is not from this earth.
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Hahaha...I believe it :)
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Listening to "Vanishing Sun" from the new album, btw!
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

I listened to Echolyn's new album premiere live here at the time on ProgScape radio http://progscaperadio.com/0524.php
 
Prior to that a week before I tuned into DJ Tony fro m House of Prog interviewing Echolyn live too via Skype and he played 4 new of their tracks :)
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I still have to listen to those - I'm friends with Mike who does Progscape and he tried to get me to listen to his show before the 24 bit upload but i wouldn't. Except for when I hear snippets of new stuff while with the band I refuse to listen to the end product until release. I'm just weird that way lol

I have to ask....how did a young woman like yourself get into prog? Even Brett at a small private concert up in Boston I went to (at Paul Arsenaults house..one of the ProgEars guys) in his living room...said thanks to all the women who came out to the show...it's a rare thing at a progressive show lol. I filmed the entire concert on digital tape and uploaded it to youtube but his comments are at the end of this one:



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I listened to Echolyn's new album premiere live here at the time on ProgScape radio http://progscaperadio.com/0524.php
 
Prior to that a week before I tuned into DJ Tony fro m House of Prog interviewing Echolyn live too via Skype and he played 4 new of their tracks :)
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Originally posted by Federico95 Federico95 wrote:

Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

I only have the one from Echolyn, Mei, which really is a fantastic album.  Going off that one, they are definitely in the right place in symphonic.

I really must get more from Echolyn.  Any recommendations?

The last album is the best they ever made for me, and I think it is also the best Prog album of the new millennium Tongue

The new album "i heard you listening" is nothing like mei but it's IMO the best album they've produced to date...even eclipsing the last album (self titled but known as the Window Album) which I thought they'd never top. There's just no slowing these guys down ...they're just on fire!



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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

Well it's just my opinion. The latest one might be their most symphonic or tradtional prog sounding in while. I just don't hear a lot of symphonic elements in the majority of their music. They seem pretty diverse to me. Others don't see it that way so I'll just have to live with them being labelled symphonic on here. No big deal I guess.

Tom is a cool guy. I actually live in the same general area as Echolyn, know the guys personally fairly well, have seen them several times in concert, hung out with them and drank some beers with them backstage at Progday, helped them move some of their instruments on stage and interviewed them last summer.  echolyninterview.blogspot.com I might get in trouble for posting that here but there it is anyway. They are pretty friendly guys. Tom, Brett and Chris were interviewed by myself online(although I told some of them beforehand in person I was doing it)while the other two were not as internet savy but I'm sure they were grateful in their own way even though one of them did did steal one of my nachos. :P Still a great bunch of guys though and very talented musicians.
 
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Great thread and like Prog Traveller live just an hour away from their studio here I've been friends with echolyn since 2000. They really are a fantastic group of guys and humble considering their status in the prog community. I've been lucky to have hung out with them at their studio while they were working on the Window Album which was a great experience!

The definition of "Eclectic is: deriving ideas, style, or taste from a broad and diverse range of sources" and I think this describes echolyn perfectly. Chris Buzby has a formal classical music education and I credit him for the wonderful, structured arrangements while the rest of the band gives echolyn it's "American" rock sound. There's just no other band like them.

mei could be considered symphonic since they actually had a mini-symphony accompany them at Nearfest 2002 and for their DVD for which I was present at both....it was amazing!

echolyn was written up in a book by John Covach "American Rock & The Classical Music Tradition" A great book and there is section on echolyn's album "As The World" written by John Covach who many of you know and also played with Chris Buzby's brother Jonn's band "Land Of Chocolate" (another great albeit short lived band)

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A better answer (than my previous 'No') would be we this.  So many bands that were categorized based on their first album or two, or on what ever was their most popular album, or on what ever their most recent album was when they were suggested for inclusion.  There are so many different reasons that a band has been categorized where they have been.  There's a reason that they are in the genre that they are in now and doing revisionist history doesn't do us any good.

Let me give an example, Steven Wilson is tagged as a Crossover Prog artist, this was based on Insurgentes as that was the only album available when he was initially evaluated.  After 'The Raven That Refused to Sing' you could have made a strong case that he should be moved to Symphonic.  A couple years later he released 'Hand Cannot Erase' which I think is clearly Crossover, so we'd have moved him back?  It wouldn't have done any good to have had him moved.

There are many bands that were borderline cases for one genre or another.  There is enough to do other than reopening debates that were settled years ago.  Someone said this before, but can you imagine the chaos of the 'Should Genesis be moved to Crossover' thread?  

I strongly encourage anyone who is worried about the genre a particular band or especially an album is in, to do a review and describe the music in your terms.  I don't see a problem with a review that starts 'this album is more of an eclectic album than a symphonic, and here is why . . . "


Edited by Roland113 - July 10 2015 at 08:25
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