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    Posted: January 27 2013 at 13:26
^Unless i missed it, he wasn't called any names.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 13:20
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

Originally posted by rogerthat



And does it not suffice to that end to say that they dislike the album and would never want to listen to a new Genesis album again, and such?   Where do questions on artistic integrity come into the picture here?  Not giving one set of fans what they heard on previous albums is not a lack of artistic integrity.   If a band turn over musical decisions to the producer or the label, that's a lack of artistic integrity.  I believe Dave Mustaine did so at one point and admitted to it but Banks & Co have always stood by their music. 

It's my opinion and I stay behind it, i believe they sold.

It's what I believe..... Why can't I say it without being called names?


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Often wonder this myself Ivan.  Everyone else around here is not bashful about putting forth their opinion.....when you do it people seem to have a canary. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 12:46
Whether the name Neo-Prog exists or not is irrelevant. We can change that if we wish. Consensus says we don't wish. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 12:39
Originally posted by Angelo

Neo exists, it's a label that's used world wide, and the IQ singer doesn't like it. Too bad for him, some things are hard to change, if changeable at all. That's what this topic is about - and twelve pages into this topic, we're on a road to nowhere again....

That's true

When i joined the site,. i had no respect for Neo prog.

But this has changed radically, some of my favorite Prog bands are precisely Neo, like Fish Marillion, Pendragon, Magenta, Gallahad, Collage...God, there's so much to find in Neo.

And if an artist doesn't like the label, bad luck, things are what they are, not we want them to be.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 12:22
Originally posted by Angelo

Neo exists, it's a label that's used world wide, and the IQ singer doesn't like it. Too bad for him, some things are hard to change, if changeable at all. That's what this topic is about - and twelve pages into this topic, we're on a road to nowhere again....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 11:44
Neo exists, it's a label that's used world wide, and the IQ singer doesn't like it. Too bad for him, some things are hard to change, if changeable at all. That's what this topic is about - and twelve pages into this topic, we're on a road to nowhere again....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 11:12
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Just let him say it for christs sake and move on.....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 11:06
Indeed.   LOL   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 11:05
Just let him say it for christs sake and move on.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 11:04
Originally posted by rogerthat



And does it not suffice to that end to say that they dislike the album and would never want to listen to a new Genesis album again, and such?   Where do questions on artistic integrity come into the picture here?  Not giving one set of fans what they heard on previous albums is not a lack of artistic integrity.   If a band turn over musical decisions to the producer or the label, that's a lack of artistic integrity.  I believe Dave Mustaine did so at one point and admitted to it but Banks & Co have always stood by their music. 

It's my opinion and I stay behind it, i believe they sold.

It's what I believe..... Why can't I say it without being called names?


Iván


Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 27 2013 at 11:04
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 11:01
Originally posted by rogerthat

 

Which is a 2008 album...and the point is?   Never said Gabriel doesn't get bad ratings on the website.   Just that Tonight is not sonically so far removed from Gabriel's 80s work.   Your reaction is probably much more to the fact that Genesis had embraced an 80s sound.   It was alright for Gabriel to do so, apparently.

Well, I like most of PG albums, but i don't like any 3 men Genesis album...Is that so wrong?

Iván

PS: I was making a point and I made it...If you don't like a non Prog album, it's wrong, you're an arrogant, a snob...Even here in prog Archives


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 11:01
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But fans are allowed to voice their opinions loud, at the end they are the ones who pay for the music.




And does it not suffice to that end to say that they dislike the album and would never want to listen to a new Genesis album again, and such?   Where do questions on artistic integrity come into the picture here?  Not giving one set of fans what they heard on previous albums is not a lack of artistic integrity.   If a band turn over musical decisions to the producer or the label, that's a lack of artistic integrity.  I believe Dave Mustaine did so at one point and admitted to it but Banks & Co have always stood by their music. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 10:57
Originally posted by Roland113

*sigh* arguing with Zealots is kind of like swimming in Macaroni and Cheese.  It's a lot of effort for almost no reward and you still end up covered in goo.

Ivan, 

I reject your ability to speak for my generation.

It is absolutely your right to hate the album, I don't dispute your hatred of it.  As a lawyer though, I would expect you to not simply discount eye witness accounts of an event or an era.  Seriously man, I'm not lying to you, it had an influence on people that are ten years younger.

With that being said, I'm done arguing the point.

Well, I disagree, i know m,any people of your age, I taught them in the university, and miost of those who loved Invisible Touch, will never listen Prog.

And it's not hatred properly said, it's dislike, repulsion.

I'm sure that if anybody said that he hates Trilogy or Hybris, nobody will react so vehemently

As I said before, it's easier to express your hate for a Prog album than your dislike for a non Prog album even here in Prog Archives.


 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 10:57
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

  

Not necessarily.

Check Big Blue Ball




Which is a 2008 album...and the point is?   Never said Gabriel doesn't get bad ratings on the website.   Just that Tonight is not sonically so far removed from Gabriel's 80s work.   Your reaction is probably much more to the fact that Genesis had embraced an 80s sound.   It was alright for Gabriel to do so, apparently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 10:55
*sigh* arguing with Zealots is kind of like swimming in Macaroni and Cheese.  It's a lot of effort for almost no reward and you still end up covered in goo.

Ivan, 

I reject your ability to speak for my generation.

It is absolutely your right to hate the album, I don't dispute your hatred of it.  As a lawyer though, I would expect you to not simply discount eye witness accounts of an event or an era.  Seriously man, I'm not lying to you, it had an influence on people that are ten years younger.

With that being said, I'm done arguing the point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 10:54
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Iff people don't like Invisible Touch I have no problem with that. Can I make that clear i am npt forcing anyone to like it?

But seems we are only allowed to whisper it.

Iván


One thing to say you dislike their later work and quite another to allege selling out or betrayal of the fans.    Even if they did want to make pop music because the label wanted it, the very act of doing so is not a sellout.  It's their decision and choosing not to listen is enough to convey you do not agree with that decision.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 10:53
^If you want to make things up, that's your perogative.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 10:53
Originally posted by rogerthat

If Tonight, Tonight was on a Peter Gabriel album, then watch the ratings on the website shoot through the roof.  

Not necessarily.

Check Big Blue Ball


Originally posted by rogerthat

Only the 'clothes' are distinctly 80s.  So what?  Fans have no monopoly on what sounds an artist can use.  

But fans are allowed to voice their opinions loud, at the end they are the ones who pay for the music.

Iván



Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 27 2013 at 10:55
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 10:51
Originally posted by Snow Dog

Iff people don't like Invisible Touch I have no problem with that. Can I make that clear i am npt forcing anyone to like it?

But seems we are only allowed to whisper it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2013 at 10:48
Iff people don't like Invisible Touch I have no problem with that. Can I make that clear i am npt forcing anyone to like it?
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