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Radiohead Vs. Talk Talk

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jude111 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2013 at 20:20
I just looked up the Trouser Press' reviews of Talk Talk. (Trouser Press was the leading critical publication of the late 70s and 80s for alternative music, punk, synth and new wave music, etc.):
 
"Talk Talk's first album is slick, professional and lifeless, sounding as though it were programmed by British record company execs to be a synth-rock Foreigner. The London group earned some early comparisons to Duran Duran thanks to their double name... But Talk Talk lacked Duran's panache. Songs by singer/keyboard player Mark Hollis...  are full of melodramatic angst and amateurish lyrics; his epic delivery is suitable but not overly appealing....
 
"Things took a turn for the better on It's My Life, although Talk Talk still hadn't become an essential component of modern culture. While the title song wins the 1984 Roxy Music soundalike award, other synth-powered dance tracks like "Dum Dum Girl" reveal Hollis to be a truly mixed-up vocalist. Still, the band's creative future looked promising.

"Bad bet. Except for "Life's What You Make It" and a gritty guitar solo on "I Don't Believe in You," the first side of The Colour of Spring is gruelingly slow and soporific; Side Two is sporadically more energetic, but the languid pacing still makes it an endurance challenge. ...

"Spirit of Eden continues the trio's perverse slide towards silent inertia. The album's six long tracks which seem to begin and end at random drift along at near-subliminal volume, with very little song structure and almost no audible signs of life. Tasteful understatement is one thing, but the delicate shadings a choir, horns, reeds and Hollis' ginger singing in this musical cipher don't even create any tangible atmosphere..."
 
They didn't even bother reviewing the last album, LAUGHING STOCK!!! Hahaha. And so it goes. This was the general concensus on Talk Talk till very recently.
 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Quiet One Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2013 at 20:35
Radiohead for OK Computer (brilliant rock mixture), The Bends (fine British 90s rock), Kid A and Amnesiac (experimental, electronic, ambient, really awesome), In Rainbows (a bit more down-to-earth with some classics) and King of Limbs (minimalistic "electronic" rock, though not all songs are brilliant).

Talk Talk still has Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock which are excellent.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2013 at 05:52
Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

And so it goes. This was the general concensus on Talk Talk till very recently.
Only on "trouser press" - whatever that is and I don't give a sh1t what one supposedly trendy web-site says about Talk Talk.

This is just the kind of bollox I had to endure from the music press about Genesis back in the 70s and 80s. Trendy idiots with daft haircuts making non-sensical comments about music they haven't the intelligence to understand.

Those comments about The Colour of Spring are so wide of the mark that it renders them worthless.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jude111 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2013 at 10:11
Originally posted by Nov Nov wrote:

Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

And so it goes. This was the general concensus on Talk Talk till very recently.
Only on "trouser press" - whatever that is and I don't give a sh1t what one supposedly trendy web-site says about Talk Talk.

This is just the kind of bollox I had to endure from the music press about Genesis back in the 70s and 80s. Trendy idiots with daft haircuts making non-sensical comments about music they haven't the intelligence to understand.
 
 
You're missing the point. Perhaps Trouser Press was "trendy" - in the 1970s/80s. They don't exist anymore, and haven't for decades. What I'm doing is called social science - my methodology is reception theory. I'm showing how a work was received and perceived when it came out (by critics, by the music industry - Talk Talk were dropped by their label; and by fans - most of whom at the time did not appreciate Talk Talk's move from synthpop to bluesy minimalist ambient static rock with brass), and how that has altered with time. Talk Talk weren't the first, and they won't be the last, who were not recognized or appreciated in their time, but later were rescued and reappraised much later. 
 
Originally posted by Nov Nov wrote:

Those comments about The Colour of Spring are so wide of the mark that it renders them worthless.
 
 
I don't c onsider their comments worthless. Rather, I view them as an important historical record showing how Talk Talk were received in their day.
 
Or we can do Foucault's genealogy theory:
 
Whenever a new style or new genre emerges, it seeks to form a genealogy. A family tree is mapped that led us to this moment. So, for example, when punk emerged in 1977ish, a genealogy began to be mapped out, looking for those bands that had influenced or is some way seemed to "anticipate" the punk movement. Bands were pulled out of the dustbins and trash-heaps of history - bands like the Velvet Underground and the MC5 and The Stooges and Pere Ubu and othes - and placed on the family tree as "fathers" or progenitors of the punk movement. Threads and counter-discourses, subalterns to the dominant ideologies, are constituted and raised to the forefront.
 
The same happened with Talk Talk, as I showed above: When bands like Mercury Rev and Flaming Lips and Radiohead and Mogwai and Grandaddy and Arcade Fire and Godspeed emerged, a geneaology was mapped out, and earlier progenitors were added to the tree. Talk Talk. They went from critical dismissal and obscurity to a newfound appreciation and near-mainstream adoration.


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I really don't like The Colour of Spring. It's probably my least favourite Talk Talk album. But if you asked me why I wouldn't be able to tell you. I just wish I was listening to something else every time I put it on.

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