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    Posted: February 06 2013 at 15:05
How do you guys feel about music that is Through-Composed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through-composed

Lots of prog bands do it, like Dream Theater, Phish, Frank Zappa, just to name a few off the top of my head. This is common in Classical music as well. Do you guys enjoy compositions like that, or do you prefer more repetition and reprises of themes?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2013 at 16:54
I always enjoy the way bands can weave different musical themes through songs, but I enjoy through-composition as well.  Much of the music I have written is through-composed (both my rock and classical compositions).  I think it's a good method to convey a musical idea in more of a linear, narrative sense; you can do that with a lot of repeated themes (and whether that fits kind of depends on what definition of "through-composed" you're using) but if you want a more story-like piece of music, through-composition can better capture the sequence of events and variety you'd find in the traditional story forms.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2013 at 17:00
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2013 at 17:23
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2013 at 17:32
seems like kind of a strange thing to consider for me. I feel like great music should have "through-composed" sections as well repeated themes or sections. not that all songs should have both always but what i really mean is it's a case by case thing and all about the music being tasteful and well executed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2013 at 20:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2013 at 20:12
I like everything, but I especially enjoy songs like Supper's Ready or Lady Fantasy where most of the song is through-composed, but the last section is a reprise of the first section. Ties it together nicely. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2013 at 22:36
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2013 at 22:57
Supper's Ready isn't really through-composed, it's a suite composed of multiple songs with varying degrees of structure. 

OP mentioned Dream Theater; I don't think most of their music is really through-composed either, although I'd definitely say that some of their long instrumental sections are through-composed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2013 at 00:56
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Supper's Ready isn't really through-composed, it's a suite composed of multiple songs with varying degrees of structure. 

OP mentioned Dream Theater; I don't think most of their music is really through-composed either, although I'd definitely say that some of their long instrumental sections are through-composed.


Well, I mean through-composed can be used within a song, like DT's Metropolis Part 1, which the middle section definitely is through-composed. Same thing with their recent song Outcry. The epic Octavarium is mostly through-composed as well. However, they obviously do not write like that all the time.

Thinking about it, the classic bands did not have many through-composed sections.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2013 at 01:37
Not really qualified to say although I think the first track off BBT's English Electric Part One may be an example of this. It quite impressed me that they resisted the urge to repeat the initial theme but developed it to its natural conclusion. I'm not sure though that I have grasped this correctly so ignore me if I havn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2013 at 01:50
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

To me it depends 

I agree
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2013 at 03:45
I didn't know of this handy term... Cool! It does seem a tad vague, but to be fair, it's music composition we're talking about here.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2013 at 06:14
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Just as long as it swings, man.

This.

I think my appreciation of music is defined by my complete ignorance to how it's made.

If it pleases my central nervous system then it's been made correctly.

Therefore, that music/band/album may begin draining my bank account like a tap and I am forever grateful.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2013 at 15:43
I think most Supertramps music is through-composed but i don't know
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2013 at 16:52
There's no unique magic formula, both techniques can produce great music and in many cases a combination of both can be ideal.
I like music which explores and follows a storyline, but certain repetition and / or recurring themes or motifs frequently provide cohesiveness and a sense of the whole thing being 'one artistic piece of work' which otherwise can feel diluted as a 'sequence of musical events put one after the other'.

There's space for everything in good music, richness in techniques, forms and moods is one of the great things in Prog, let's not limit it by saying that 'this way is better than the other way' etc.

Subtlety is often a very nice resource to use. You may not want to have a repeating formula of verse-chorus-verse-chorus, but perhaps calling back the chorus melody on a different background, or on a different rhythm and tempo, or with different harmonic components (for example changing its key from minor to major) etc can provide both a sense of 'the music does not repeat itself' yet 'there's some unifying scheme in this music'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2013 at 07:16
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

I think most Supertramps music is through-composed but i don't know
I doubt that somehow
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2013 at 11:42
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

There's no unique magic formula, both techniques can produce great music and in many cases a combination of both can be ideal.
I like music which explores and follows a storyline, but certain repetition and / or recurring themes or motifs frequently provide cohesiveness and a sense of the whole thing being 'one artistic piece of work' which otherwise can feel diluted as a 'sequence of musical events put one after the other'.

There's space for everything in good music, richness in techniques, forms and moods is one of the great things in Prog, let's not limit it by saying that 'this way is better than the other way' etc.

Subtlety is often a very nice resource to use. You may not want to have a repeating formula of verse-chorus-verse-chorus, but perhaps calling back the chorus melody on a different background, or on a different rhythm and tempo, or with different harmonic components (for example changing its key from minor to major) etc can provide both a sense of 'the music does not repeat itself' yet 'there's some unifying scheme in this music'.


This.

Also, I think a lot of Kayo Dot's stuff is through-composed.  There's not much of a reverence for structure of any kind on Choirs of the Eye.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2013 at 08:35
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

There's space for everything in good music, richness in techniques, forms and moods is one of the great things in Prog  Music, let's not limit it by saying that 'this way is better than the other way' etc.
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2013 at 09:15
Interesting, I didn't know the term.
I think in general I prefer music that comes back to themes and re-use them in another way, like Yes does with one of the main themes in Close To The Edge, but I've never giving it thought before, so I might change my mind about this after more reflection.
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