Author |
Topic Search Topic Options
|
fusaka
Forum Groupie
Joined: May 31 2007
Location: Québec
Status: Offline
Points: 62
|
Topic: Good prog band, bad drummer Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:24 |
When writing a review for the new Big Big Train, I was thinking how Nick D'Virgilio really took this band to another level when he started playing on their albums. Does anyone know of other instances of bands who were otherwise great but never "made it" because of a bad drummer?
Edited by fusaka - March 04 2013 at 13:24
|
|
|
pianoman
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 28 2007
Location: Earth
Status: Offline
Points: 790
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:36 |
Pelican
|
|
tszirmay
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: August 17 2006
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 6673
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:41 |
Not prog but I always felt that Charlie Watts was a rather poor, rather sloppy drummer ! Of course, I detest the Rolling Stones, so I am biased (I assure you a rare event!) .
|
I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
|
|
Snow Dog
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:45 |
^He may be dull but surely not sloppy?
|
|
|
tszirmay
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: August 17 2006
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 6673
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:46 |
Snow Dog wrote:
^He may be dull but surely not sloppy? |
"Time Waits for No One"= tick-tick "Miss You"
Edited by tszirmay - March 04 2013 at 13:47
|
I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
|
|
Ajay
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 01 2013
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 221
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:49 |
Seeing as I'm recording a high-energy piece which, as a work in progress, has received strong positive responses despite there not being a single drum on it yet, I have to say that I don't believe that a drummer can make or break an act. Of course what a drum sound adds can enhance or detract from a work. I can't think of one act, though, which has lost points with me on account of the quality of the drums. I can think of plenty which turned me off on account of the quality of the singing.
|
|
Snow Dog
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:50 |
tszirmay wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^He may be dull but surely not sloppy? |
"Time Waits for No One"= tick-tick "Miss You"
|
I don't know what you mean.
|
|
|
darkshade
Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: November 19 2005
Location: New Jersey
Status: Offline
Points: 10964
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:56 |
The original Mothers Of Invention
|
|
|
tszirmay
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: August 17 2006
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 6673
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:57 |
Snow Dog wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^He may be dull but surely not sloppy? |
"Time Waits for No One"= tick-tick "Miss You"
|
I don't know what you mean. |
Oh! I am so sorry
The first track shows a bare minimum timekeeper tendency at its most primitive (metronome) and the second a disco shuffle that would make Chic feel un-chic!
|
I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
|
|
Snow Dog
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 14:04 |
tszirmay wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
^He may be dull but surely not sloppy? |
"Time Waits for No One"= tick-tick "Miss You"
|
I don't know what you mean. |
Oh! I am so sorry
The first track shows a bare minimum timekeeper tendency at its most primitive (metronome) and the second a disco shuffle that would make Chic feel un-chic! |
Oh. I will check them out.
|
|
|
Adams Bolero
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 07 2009
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 679
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 14:14 |
darkshade wrote:
The original Mothers Of Invention
|
Jimmy Carl Black is a bad drummer? Not to my ears.
|
''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus
|
|
KingCrInuYasha
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 26 2010
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 1281
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 14:45 |
Adams Bolero wrote:
darkshade wrote:
The original Mothers Of Invention
|
Jimmy Carl Black is a bad drummer? Not to my ears. |
Yeah, really. Have you heard "Who Needs The Peace Corps?", from We're Only In It For The Money? The drumming on that track is just fantastic. Back on topic, I guess I have to give it to Maureen Tucker from The Velvet Underground. Say what you will about Ringo Starr or Charlie Watts, at least they occasionally loose (e.g. "The End" for the former, "Rocks Off" for the latter). Tucker, for the most part, is just lifeless; you might as well replace her with one of those Bentley Rhythm Ace drum machines. Though as I said in a previous post, I have more problems with her philosophy when it comes to drumming, specifically her claims that the drummer should just say in the background, or something to that effect. While the arrangements to a lot of Velvet songs might have benefited from a minimalistic style of drumming, can you imagine how boring stuff like, say, "The Wizard" by Black Sabbath would be with that style?
Edited by KingCrInuYasha - March 06 2013 at 11:09
|
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
|
|
Sagichim
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: November 29 2006
Location: Israel
Status: Offline
Points: 6632
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 14:47 |
Ray Phillips - Budgie's first drummer.
One of their most well known songs Breadfan has awful drumming.
|
|
Menswear
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 02 2004
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 63
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 14:51 |
Oh I got one!
Hawkwind's drummer on Warrior on the Edge of Time.
Poor slugger's better at picking his nose.
|
A friend is someone who helps you move. A best friend is someone who helps you move a body.
|
|
tszirmay
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: August 17 2006
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 6673
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 14:55 |
Menswear wrote:
Oh I got one!
Hawkwind's drummer on Warrior on the Edge of Time.
Poor slugger's better at picking his nose. |
Not if you saw him live , as his idea was to hypnotize brutally ! Like seeing John Bonham live, its the real way to judge!
|
I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
|
|
darkshade
Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: November 19 2005
Location: New Jersey
Status: Offline
Points: 10964
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 14:56 |
I assumed the word "bad" was being used loosely on this thread. Obviously JCB is not a bad drummer, but he's not exceptional. Zappa had better drummers for the remainder of his career, and you could feel it in his music.
|
|
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 25890
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 15:03 |
I like Paul Cook ( of IQ) and he is far from a bad drummer but Andy Edwards on Frequency shows what the band was missing for a number of years perhaps. Could they have been bigger? I'm not sure given that Marillion were seemingly never held back by having a less than brilliant drummer. I suppose Porcupine Tree might be an example of a band that took a big leap forward when they (or rather Steven) changed the drummer.
|
|
coasterzombie
Forum Groupie
Joined: November 13 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 71
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 15:03 |
Rush - John Rutsey
|
|
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 25890
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 15:05 |
coasterzombie wrote:
Rush - John Rutsey |
on that basis I would add John Mayhew (Genesis) . Both were decent drummers just not as amazingly talented as the people that replaced them.
|
|
KingCrInuYasha
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 26 2010
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 1281
|
Posted: March 04 2013 at 15:05 |
@darkshade
True. Terry Bozzio's drumming is pretty sweet.
Edited by KingCrInuYasha - March 04 2013 at 15:05
|
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
|
|
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.