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    Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:24
When writing a review for the new Big Big Train, I was thinking how Nick D'Virgilio really took this band to another level when he started playing on their albums. Does anyone know of other instances of bands who were otherwise great but never "made it" because of a bad drummer?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote tszirmay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:41
Not prog but I always felt that Charlie Watts was a rather poor, rather sloppy  drummer ! Of course, I detest the Rolling Stones, so I am biased (I assure you a rare event!) . 
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^He may be dull but surely not sloppy?
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tszirmay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:46
Originally posted by Snow Dog

^He may be dull but surely not sloppy?

"Time Waits for No One"= tick-tick Ouch "Miss You" Angry


Edited by tszirmay - March 04 2013 at 13:47
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Seeing as I'm recording a high-energy piece which, as a work in progress, has received strong positive responses despite there not being a single drum on it yet, I have to say that I don't believe that a drummer can make or break an act. Of course what a drum sound adds can enhance or detract from a work. I can't think of one act, though, which has lost points with me on account of the quality of the drums. I can think of plenty which turned me off on account of the quality of the singing.
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Originally posted by tszirmay

Originally posted by Snow Dog

^He may be dull but surely not sloppy?

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I don't know  what you mean.
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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The original Mothers Of Invention
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tszirmay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:57
Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by tszirmay

Originally posted by Snow Dog

^He may be dull but surely not sloppy?

"Time Waits for No One"= tick-tick Ouch "Miss You" Angry

I don't know  what you mean.

Oh! I am so sorry

The first track shows a bare minimum timekeeper tendency at its most primitive (metronome) and the second a disco shuffle that would make Chic feel un-chic! 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 14:04
Originally posted by tszirmay

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by tszirmay

Originally posted by Snow Dog

^He may be dull but surely not sloppy?

"Time Waits for No One"= tick-tick Ouch "Miss You" Angry

I don't know  what you mean.

Oh! I am so sorry

The first track shows a bare minimum timekeeper tendency at its most primitive (metronome) and the second a disco shuffle that would make Chic feel un-chic! 

Oh. I will check them out.Wink
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Originally posted by darkshade

The original Mothers Of Invention
Jimmy Carl Black is a bad drummer? Not to my ears.
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Originally posted by Adams Bolero

Originally posted by darkshade

The original Mothers Of Invention
Jimmy Carl Black is a bad drummer? Not to my ears.


Yeah, really. Have you heard "Who Needs The Peace Corps?", from We're Only In It For The Money? The drumming on that track is just fantastic.

Back on topic, I guess I have to give it to Maureen Tucker from The Velvet Underground. Say what you will about Ringo Starr or Charlie Watts, at least they occasionally loose (e.g. "The End" for the former, "Rocks Off" for the latter). Tucker, for the most part, is just lifeless; you might as well replace her with one of those Bentley Rhythm Ace drum machines. Though as I said in a previous post, I have more problems with her philosophy when it comes to drumming, specifically her claims that the drummer should just say in the background, or something to that effect. While the arrangements to a lot of Velvet songs might have benefited from a minimalistic style of drumming, can you imagine how boring stuff like, say, "The Wizard" by Black Sabbath would be with that style?


Edited by KingCrInuYasha - March 06 2013 at 11:09
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Ray Phillips - Budgie's first drummer.

One of their most well known songs Breadfan has awful drumming.
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Oh I got one!
 
Hawkwind's drummer on Warrior on the Edge of Time.
 
Poor slugger's better at picking his nose.Wink
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Originally posted by Menswear

Oh I got one!
 
Hawkwind's drummer on Warrior on the Edge of Time.
 
Poor slugger's better at picking his nose.Wink

Not if you saw him live , as his idea was to hypnotize brutally ! Like seeing John Bonham live, its the real way to judge! 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 14:56
Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha

Originally posted by Adams Bolero

Originally posted by darkshade

The original Mothers Of Invention
Jimmy Carl Black is a bad drummer? Not to my ears.


Yeah, really. Have you heard "Who Needs The Peace Corps?", from We're Only In It For The Money? The drumming on that track is just fantastic.



I assumed the word "bad" was being used loosely on this thread. Obviously JCB is not a bad drummer, but he's not exceptional. Zappa had better drummers for the remainder of his career, and you could feel it in his music.
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I like Paul Cook ( of IQ) and he is far from a bad drummer but Andy Edwards on Frequency shows what the band was missing for a number of years perhaps. Could they have been bigger? I'm not sure given that Marillion were seemingly never held back by having a less than brilliant drummer. I suppose Porcupine Tree might be an example of a band that took a big leap forward when they (or rather Steven) changed the drummer.
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Rush - John Rutsey
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Originally posted by coasterzombie

Rush - John Rutsey

on that basis I would add John Mayhew (Genesis) . Both were decent drummers just not as amazingly talented as the people that replaced them.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote KingCrInuYasha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2013 at 15:05
@darkshade

True. Terry Bozzio's drumming is pretty sweet.

Edited by KingCrInuYasha - March 04 2013 at 15:05
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