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fusaka 
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 Topic: Good prog band, bad drummerPosted: March 04 2013 at 13:24 |
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When writing a review for the new Big Big Train, I was thinking how Nick D'Virgilio really took this band to another level when he started playing on their albums. Does anyone know of other instances of bands who were otherwise great but never "made it" because of a bad drummer?
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tszirmay
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:41 |
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Not prog but I always felt that Charlie Watts was a rather poor, rather sloppy drummer ! Of course, I detest the Rolling Stones, so I am biased (I assure you a rare event!) .
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"Secret career in counter-espionage, covering his fear in clever camouflage" Robert Calvert . "I don't remember, I don't recall, I've got no memory of anything at all"
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:45 |
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^He may be dull but surely not sloppy?
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Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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tszirmay
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:46 |
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"Time Waits for No One"= tick-tick
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"Secret career in counter-espionage, covering his fear in clever camouflage" Robert Calvert . "I don't remember, I don't recall, I've got no memory of anything at all"
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Seeing as I'm recording a high-energy piece which, as a work in progress, has received strong positive responses despite there not being a single drum on it yet, I have to say that I don't believe that a drummer can make or break an act. Of course what a drum sound adds can enhance or detract from a work. I can't think of one act, though, which has lost points with me on account of the quality of the drums. I can think of plenty which turned me off on account of the quality of the singing.
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Snow Dog
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I don't know what you mean.
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darkshade
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 13:56 |
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The original Mothers Of Invention
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My Last.fm
Jazz-rock conspiracy? Zappa and Miles played at the same festivals in the summer of '69 right BEFORE Hot Rats AND Bitches Brew were recorded. |
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tszirmay
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Oh! I am so sorry The first track shows a bare minimum timekeeper tendency at its most primitive (metronome) and the second a disco shuffle that would make Chic feel un-chic!
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"Secret career in counter-espionage, covering his fear in clever camouflage" Robert Calvert . "I don't remember, I don't recall, I've got no memory of anything at all"
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Snow Dog
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Oh. I will check them out.
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Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Adams Bolero
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Jimmy Carl Black is a bad drummer? Not to my ears.
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KingCrInuYasha
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Yeah, really. Have you heard "Who Needs The Peace Corps?", from We're Only In It For The Money? The drumming on that track is just fantastic. Back on topic, I guess I have to give it to Maureen Tucker from The Velvet Underground. Say what you will about Ringo Starr or Charlie Watts, at least they occasionally loose (e.g. "The End" for the former, "Rocks Off" for the latter). Tucker, for the most part, is just lifeless; you might as well replace her with one of those Bentley Rhythm Ace drum machines. Though as I said in a previous post, I have more problems with her philosophy when it comes to drumming, specifically her claims that the drummer should just say in the background, or something to that effect. While the arrangements to a lot of Velvet songs might have benefited from a minimalistic style of drumming, can you imagine how boring stuff like, say, "The Wizard" by Black Sabbath would be with that style? Edited by KingCrInuYasha - March 06 2013 at 11:09 |
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 14:47 |
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Ray Phillips - Budgie's first drummer.
One of their most well known songs Breadfan has awful drumming. |
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 14:51 |
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Oh I got one!
Hawkwind's drummer on Warrior on the Edge of Time.
Poor slugger's better at picking his nose.
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tszirmay
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Not if you saw him live , as his idea was to hypnotize brutally ! Like seeing John Bonham live, its the real way to judge!
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I assumed the word "bad" was being used loosely on this thread. Obviously JCB is not a bad drummer, but he's not exceptional. Zappa had better drummers for the remainder of his career, and you could feel it in his music. |
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I like Paul Cook ( of IQ) and he is far from a bad drummer but Andy Edwards on Frequency shows what the band was missing for a number of years perhaps. Could they have been bigger? I'm not sure given that Marillion were seemingly never held back by having a less than brilliant drummer. I suppose Porcupine Tree might be an example of a band that took a big leap forward when they (or rather Steven) changed the drummer.
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 15:03 |
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Rush - John Rutsey
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richardh
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on that basis I would add John Mayhew (Genesis) . Both were decent drummers just not as amazingly talented as the people that replaced them.
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Posted: March 04 2013 at 15:05 |
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@darkshade
True. Terry Bozzio's drumming is pretty sweet. Edited by KingCrInuYasha - March 04 2013 at 15:05 |
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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