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    Posted: March 11 2013 at 06:51
Anathema's 'A Natural Disaster'. I love all their albums since 1996 but not this one. It sounds to me overly boring and 'Violence' is a total rip-off from 'Laura Palmer's Theme' by Angelo Badalamenti.
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I really disliked seeing Robert Fripp walking on stage and playing a pink acoustic guitar on a Lady Gaga concert in Londen in 2010. He just kept smyling...
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Originally posted by friso

I really disliked seeing Robert Fripp walking on stage and playing a pink acoustic guitar on a Lady Gaga concert in Londen in 2010. He just kept smyling...

After all of the years Fripp spent criticizing pop music, I can't see him playing at a Lady Gaga concert.


I was let down when Chris Squire kicked Jon Anderson out of the band for poor health, then did the same when Benoit fell ill, and did not let Jon rejoin when they needed a new lead singer. 


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The three most disappointing moments for me:
Side 2 of Genesis.  Side 1 was such a perfect side of music IMO, but they really dropped the ball on Side 2. 
 
Yes - Open Your Eyes.  Utterly terrible and coming off the strong live/studio Keys to Ascension made this album even harder to swallow. 
 
The Jakksyk, Fripp & Collins album A Scarcity of Miracles.  With 3 (plus 2) great musicians, the chances for something spectacular was pretty darn high.  Unfortunately, they went for a more ambient kind of atmosphere and the album lacked any dynamics, and melody for that matter.  Not a sell out, but about as exciting as watching paint dry. 
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Pink Floyd only let me down twice:
 
1. Stopping improvising & experimenting.
2. The 1980s.
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2008, Dream Theater was my favorite band. I loved every album, except their most recent. I listened to Systematic Chaos endlessly, hoping it would click, and provoke the same love so many of their albums, it never did.

Storm Corrosion had some great songs. The Drag Ropes video was incredible, and the title song is sooo gorgeous. So why does the album feel so bland?

The Incident (IMO) is Porcupine Tree's worst album (though I've never listened to the debut album). What a terrible note to end on, after such a long run of brilliance.
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Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by horza

Originally posted by darkshade

Dream Theater, when they released Systematic Chaos, though I enjoyed some tracks right off the bat, the album marked the end of my prog listening days for a couple of years. I was also disappointed when Mike Portnoy left, but they rectified that situation.King Crimson, when a few years ago I realized they'll probably never record an album again.Frank Zappa, not long after I first got into his music I found out he died in 1993.-------By the way Horza, I never gave you my permission for that sig. Wink But it's OK, you can leave it.



Systematic Chaos was the album that got me into DT - I saw them on that tour and had actually gone to see the support act, Symphony X.

My sig was a kind of tribute to something you said that I thought was quite funny. I will rectify

Systematic Chaos is one of my favourites too. A huge improvement on Octavarium in my eyes.

Same here. I found Octavarium had some great highs, but so many lows that it almost cancels out those highs. However I can't say I have many problems with any track on Systematic Chaos.


I think I feel the opposite here. I love Octavarium, but Systematic Chaos had some good points, and some bad ones. In fact, if I had to pick a least favorite Dream Theater album (all of which I like), it might be Systematic Chaos. Not disappointing, just not their best.

Muse's latest album I enjoyed much less than the previous ones. I wouldn't call it a bad album, just not my taste.
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I liked Octavarium quite a bit.  And do prefer it over Systematic Chaos, although I don't think that was too bad of an album either. 
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Originally posted by friso

I really disliked seeing Robert Fripp walking on stage and playing a pink acoustic guitar on a Lady Gaga concert in Londen in 2010. He just kept smyling...

Wow. LOL
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Hi,
 
Pink Floyd, in the album after Dark Side of the Moon. They had been playing new material for a whole year and it was in many bootlegs, and it was dumped for a few more years. And it was vastly superior.
 
Other than that ... Amon Duul 2 in Vive La Trance album ... you knew right after the end of "Apocaliptyc Bore" that it was over ... and the rest of their stuff is not half as important, or as good since.


Edited by moshkito - March 11 2013 at 11:49
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Originally posted by friso

I really disliked seeing Robert Fripp walking on stage and playing a pink acoustic guitar on a Lady Gaga concert in Londen in 2010. He just kept smyling...
Ermm ... You've just made that up, right? Geek

Edited by Dayvenkirq - March 11 2013 at 12:16
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Hard to tell (and good, interesting thread)

Possibly the fact that bands tend to go heavier/more industrial-like and forget about the depth of composition (see last two Fates Warning releases).

Or, when bands "evolve" further than they should have (of course who am I to judge, but) e.g. Anathema, start playing so-called uninteresting progressive (?) pop music from something that inspired them (see Coldplay) later in their career

but then again, major disappointments can sometimes lead to massive comebacks, so not all is dark and grey Big smile
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Originally posted by cstack3

Originally posted by horza

I can't think of any of my favourite prog bands which have not disappointed me in one way or another. It might have been an individual album track or an entire album, perhaps it was a line-up change that left me scratching my head in amazement.

Can you think of any examples?

I might start with Yes thinking that Trevor Horn (ex-The Buggles) was a suitable replacement for Jon Anderson.

I agree!  In fact, Yes continues to disappoint without Jon Anderson, at least with Benoit David.  Jon Davison is a very good stand-in for Anderson, but they are not the same....Downes just doesn't have the chops from what I've heard.  I also don't like their proclivity to play only for casino theaters in the USA, there are many fine venues that are more accessible.  

Major record disappointments for me included "Drama" (putting me at odds with most on PA it would appear),  "Union," and  "Big Generator." 

I wish Yes had stuck to the formula that created "Tales from Topographic Oceans"!   Over-reach, spiritual themes etc. They made their best music when they pushed themselves to their personal limits.

Creative tension can work wonders in the rock studio, I've experienced it many times.  It's not a recording session until at least one breakable object is broken!  

I disagree strongly with the both of you. Drama was a very strong album, even considering that Jon isn't on it. Now I can understand the hate for Union and Big Generator but they both have incredible songs including Shoot High Aim Low, I'm Running, Holy Lamb, Without Hope You Cannot Start The Day, Miracle of Life, The More We Live - Let Go to name a few. 

Although they never really did go back to the classic sound (they hit is slightly on Ladder, which is a very good album), they did make great songs on both Magnification and Fly From Here, which coincidentally doesn't have Jon either.
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Drama is in my top 5 Yes albums, along with CTTE, TFTO, GFTO and yes, 90125.  The latest, Fly From Here is a good one and my favorite since The Keys to Ascension sets. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote horza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2013 at 14:55
Originally posted by The Doctor



Drama is in my top 5 Yes albums, along with CTTE, TFTO, GFTO and yes, 90125.  The latest, Fly From Here is a good one and my favorite since The Keys to Ascension sets. 


Fragile and Relayer would make my top 5 Yes albums before Drama
Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Never had the love for Relayer as others here have.  In fact, it is my least favorite of their 70s output.  Fragile comes in a close 6, followed by TAAW, TYA, Talk and Fly From Here. 

Edited by The Doctor - March 11 2013 at 14:59
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Originally posted by horza

Originally posted by The Doctor



Drama is in my top 5 Yes albums, along with CTTE, TFTO, GFTO and yes, 90125.  The latest, Fly From Here is a good one and my favorite since The Keys to Ascension sets. 


Fragile and Relayer would make my top 5 Yes albums before Drama

Same here especially since those are my two favourite Yes albums. Stern Smile
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Again.  Genesis on the Mama tour.  For the Prince and Princess of Wales.  Instead of sticking to their own medleys they play a medley of pop and soul tunes they like!  I knew they were pretty poppy by that time but PLEASE NO! Don't do that 'drop your prog trousers and offer your bare pop behind to all and sundry'.  Just because your pop stars and Diana likes Phil!  Just f**k of all three of you and that curly haired American guitarist you can f**k off too!  Grrr!  Vowed never to go and see them again.  And never did!  
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage

Again.  Genesis on the Mama tour.  For the Prince and Princess of Wales.  Instead of sticking to their own medleys they play a medley of pop and soul tunes they like!  I knew they were pretty poppy by that time but PLEASE NO! Don't do that 'drop your prog trousers and offer your bare pop behind to all and sundry'.  Just because your pop stars and Diana likes Phil!  Just f**k of all three of you and that curly haired American guitarist you can f**k off too!  Grrr!  Vowed never to go and see them again.  And never did!  


Poor Daryl Stuermer

He would only do what he was asked to do.

Apparently Stuermer auditioned for and won a spot backing up jazz violinist Jean-Luc Ponty in 1975, with whom he recorded four albums.

(Good old wikipedia )

Btw I'm hoping you visit the thread about how you came by your nickname akamaisondufromage

Edited by horza - March 11 2013 at 15:24
Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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A big one for me recently was Pain of Salvation. I've only gotten into them in about the last 6 months or so, and they've quickly risen through the ranks of my favorite bands. I started with Perfect Element and then moved on to Be and Remedy Lane. I then decided I needed more and got their first two albums, then moved on to the Road Salt duo (though I listened to second one first). After a while I thought it was impossible for them to disappoint me, because up to that point I'd loved it all. Then I got Scarsick.
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