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    Posted: May 24 2016 at 18:28
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I rip my CDs and listen to them on a surge-protected computer through these very high fidelity Logitech speakers, and I have a separate surge-protected Philips stereo set for records and cassettes, but if there was a convenient way to combine the two and get rid of one pair of speakers I'd probably do that.


Computer playback is too lo-fi to be affected by such factor

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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

I rip my CDs and listen to them on a surge-protected computer through these very high fidelity Logitech speakers, and I have a separate surge-protected Philips stereo set for records and cassettes, but if there was a convenient way to combine the two and get rid of one pair of speakers I'd probably do that.


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^ I guess you let it out.....
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

^ Free site...you can post whatever you feel. If I were mickey, I would say.."let it out man, let it flow your busting at the seams, release it dude!!"
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There is not much you could write that would ruffle my feathers, I have read scathing audio threads on other sites that would put what you, I and others on this topic on this site have discussed in recent years to a pre-k level. I stay away from that but it is entertaining to read, occasionally you do learn something.

If the technical content is accurate and factually correct then I'm not concerned by anything anyone posts anywhere. However, I have come to accept that most of the people who pontificate on such matters on the internet are from a non-technical background and have a poor understanding of the subject. Even as a professional with 45 years experience and significantly better than pre-k education in parametric measurement I am aware that I don't know everything there is to know, but fortunately the wealth of knowledge I do have allows me to analyse apparent technical statements and ignore the inaccurate nonsense. Regardless of how convincing an internet pundit may sound, when they are being inaccurate and incorrect whatever you learn from them is merely propagating misinformation. Sensitivity is just another in a long list of misunderstood and misrepresented technical parameters that audio enthusiasts latch on to and misuse - equating sensitivity to efficiency illustrates that perfectly.Geek

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^ Free site...you can post whatever you feel. If I were mickey, I would say.."let it out man, let it flow your busting at the seams, release it dude!!"
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There is not much you could write that would ruffle my feathers, I have read scathing audio threads on other sites that would put what you, I and others on this topic on this site have discussed in recent years to a pre-k level. I stay away from that but it is entertaining to read, occasionally you do learn something.



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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Not suggesting anyone do this but this is a cool demonstration of how much power this particular speaker is handling, the Harbeth 40.1 Monitors, these are low sensitivity speakers, so they do need plenty to make them sing.

That's one interpretation of the demonstration. It's the wrong one but if that's the one you want to believe then so be it.

I have been to many demonstrations in the past and have heard the difference a low sensitivity speaker sounds like with low wattage amps and high wattage amps. I also realize the higher rated speakers don't need as much wattage to get to a higher dB as the low sensitivity speakers might need....Not that I have any desire to get my speakers to say 95-98dB listening levels. I can only imagine what the dB level in that room was of the demonstration, nobody listens to music that loud, I will guess about 110dB..guessing, you have the knowledge to figure it out.

The demos I have been to were very normal to lower listening levels, I am not saying one is more right than the other either, its a preference.
That's just continuing the wrong interpretation.

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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Not suggesting anyone do this but this is a cool demonstration of how much power this particular speaker is handling, the Harbeth 40.1 Monitors, these are low sensitivity speakers, so they do need plenty to make them sing.

That's one interpretation of the demonstration. It's the wrong one but if that's the one you want to believe then so be it.

I have been to many demonstrations in the past and have heard the difference a low sensitivity speaker sounds like with low wattage amps and high wattage amps. I also realize the higher rated speakers don't need as much wattage to get to a higher dB as the low sensitivity speakers might need....Not that I have any desire to get my speakers to say 95-98dB listening levels. I can only imagine what the dB level in that room was of the demonstration, nobody listens to music that loud, I will guess about 110dB..guessing, you have the knowledge to figure it out.

The demos I have been to were very normal to lower listening levels, I am not saying one is more right than the other either, its a preference.


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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I tend to pay attention to sensitivity (efficiency) rating of a speaker, when matching to my amplifier. I prefer a higher rating like 89-92dB rather than say 87dB or below. My current speaker is rated at 90dB, you don't need a huge amp with 200wpc to power them efficiently, I'm over stating here of course, I don't see any need for 200wpc amp, unless you are driving low efficient speakers or just want a big power amp, which is also fine.
Higher sensitivity pairs well with some of the flea power tube amps that put out like 5-10wpc.....I like more watts than that though...but that is just me, my current amp is rated at 80wpc and that is more than enough.

On specs that's about it, freq response is kinda meaningless to me, as long as they test to go below 50Hz I'm good with that.......After that I tend to look at who who mfg the drivers and then build quality.

Anything I miss with those points Dean?

Hmm... yes, but I have a feeling that neither you nor anyone else wants to endure another long-winded technical lecture from me so I'll smile politely and keep quiet. Smile


All I am saying is that is all I generally look for in speakers, it helps me create a short list of ones I want to go hear which is the ultimate decision factor for me....my ears. I would never chose speakers based on specs alone.
I have no issue with you expressing your opinion, I read tons of posts on several audio only sites. Some is good some is bad, so I doubt anything you write would wrinkle my feathers, I am pretty sure I have read both extremes on many topics LOL


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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Not suggesting anyone do this but this is a cool demonstration of how much power this particular speaker is handling, the Harbeth 40.1 Monitors, these are low sensitivity speakers, so they do need plenty to make them sing.

That's one interpretation of the demonstration. It's the wrong one but if that's the one you want to believe then so be it.

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I tend to pay attention to sensitivity (efficiency) rating of a speaker, when matching to my amplifier. I prefer a higher rating like 89-92dB rather than say 87dB or below. My current speaker is rated at 90dB, you don't need a huge amp with 200wpc to power them efficiently, I'm over stating here of course, I don't see any need for 200wpc amp, unless you are driving low efficient speakers or just want a big power amp, which is also fine.
Higher sensitivity pairs well with some of the flea power tube amps that put out like 5-10wpc.....I like more watts than that though...but that is just me, my current amp is rated at 80wpc and that is more than enough.

On specs that's about it, freq response is kinda meaningless to me, as long as they test to go below 50Hz I'm good with that.......After that I tend to look at who who mfg the drivers and then build quality.

Anything I miss with those points Dean?

Hmm... yes, but I have a feeling that neither you nor anyone else wants to endure another long-winded technical lecture from me so I'll smile politely and keep quiet. Smile


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Not suggesting anyone do this but this is a cool demonstration of how much power this particular speaker is handling, the Harbeth 40.1 Monitors, these are low sensitivity speakers, so they do need plenty to make them sing.

You can look up the price of Harbeth's, I would not mind a pair but not at those prices Thumbs Down, especially knowing I would need a 200wpc amp to boot. For me the important point is if you really want to hear the dynamics of music and what is hiding in the background, a well mated amp and speakers is critical.



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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

^ If you go to Chicago go to Music Direct, check their website also, a lot of times they have demos at good prices and even used. Good selection of speakers but hard to suggest anything without understanding your budget.
Klipsch in general are good, with high sensitivity rating meaning they are easy to drive with low power amps. Polk, I think is a bit the reverse, low sensitivity so you will need more power to drive them efficiently. Stay away from the Klipsch and Polk at BestBuy, those are low quality made for volume sales and really more for home theater.
Wharfdale has good value in speakers also.
 
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^ Hey Catcher,
 sorry if I seemed to be  argumenting against  your recommendations, it isn't surely the case, only meant to reinforce the fundamental importance of the ultimate test - your own ears and the room where you will do the listening.
Sensitivity match? Of course !
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

You MUST pay attention to the specs of a speaker, if you do not you could find yourself with a bad match between amplifier and speakers.
Ermm any specific parameters you have in mind here? Geek

I tend to pay attention to sensitivity (efficiency) rating of a speaker, when matching to my amplifier. I prefer a higher rating like 89-92dB rather than say 87dB or below. My current speaker is rated at 90dB, you don't need a huge amp with 200wpc to power them efficiently, I'm over stating here of course, I don't see any need for 200wpc amp, unless you are driving low efficient speakers or just want a big power amp, which is also fine.
Higher sensitivity pairs well with some of the flea power tube amps that put out like 5-10wpc.....I like more watts than that though...but that is just me, my current amp is rated at 80wpc and that is more than enough.

On specs that's about it, freq response is kinda meaningless to me, as long as they test to go below 50Hz I'm good with that.......After that I tend to look at who who mfg the drivers and then build quality.

Anything I miss with those points Dean?
 




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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

You MUST pay attention to the specs of a speaker, if you do not you could find yourself with a bad match between amplifier and speakers.
Ermm any specific parameters you have in mind here? Geek

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Ohh and listening to music on headphones as your main source will ruin your ears.Shocked
It depends on how loud you listen to music, I tend to be less moderate with the volume when I use the speakers Tongue
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I must say the speakers are the most difficult element to choose, and no way you can properly do it only by looking at the brand's name and/or by someone's recommendation (sorry, Catcher10) even less so by reading specifications or technical reviews, of course.

 One HAS to hear them in the room where they are going to play, no other sure method believe me.
Even two apparently identical rooms have unexpected different influences on the overall sound you will get.
No substitute then for testing them with your gear and in your actual  listening spot, I myself only got them right on the third trial.
If you can't arrange with the store they let you test before you buy, better opt for headphones (and spend much less)  Big smile

I'm sorry....where did I state "buy these off the internet sight/heard unseen.."?? Recommendations are a perfect way to narrow down your list, as long as it comes from a user who understands how to explain the sound quality of a speaker. You MUST pay attention to the specs of a speaker, if you do not you could find yourself with a bad match between amplifier and speakers.

I suggested going to Music Direct in Chicago because they are a large online audio/music retailer, they have a large warehouse and they offer a 60 Day Money back guarantee, they actually will push you on this for speakers to make sure you are satisfied with the sound after a couple months....If not you can send them back. I have done a lot of business with MD and they are a class act.

So sorry Quinino, you should read posts better. Ohh and listening to music on headphones as your main source will ruin your ears.Shocked


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^^
I must say the speakers are the most difficult element to choose, and no way you can properly do it only by looking at the brand's name and/or by someone's recommendation (sorry, Catcher10) even less so by reading specifications or technical reviews, of course.

 One HAS to hear them in the room where they are going to play, no other sure method believe me.
Even two apparently identical rooms have unexpected different influences on the overall sound you will get.
No substitute then for testing them with your gear and in your actual  listening spot, I myself only got them right on the third trial.
If you can't arrange with the store they let you test before you buy, better opt for headphones (and spend much less)  Big smile
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^ If you go to Chicago go to Music Direct, check their website also, a lot of times they have demos at good prices and even used. Good selection of speakers but hard to suggest anything without understanding your budget.
Klipsch in general are good, with high sensitivity rating meaning they are easy to drive with low power amps. Polk, I think is a bit the reverse, low sensitivity so you will need more power to drive them efficiently. Stay away from the Klipsch and Polk at BestBuy, those are low quality made for volume sales and really more for home theater.
Wharfdale has good value in speakers also.


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