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Stool Man
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Topic: Odd-numbered years better for prog? Posted: March 30 2013 at 04:41 |
The current Top 100 albums on PA have 1972 albums in 1st & 2nd place. Plus another 40 even-years albums further down the list. 42% vs 58% isn't a sufficiently large gap to matter. 33% vs 66% would be that point, I reckon.
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Posted: March 29 2013 at 07:42 |
You gotta be kidding!
1972- Close To The Edge 1974- Relayer
'Nuff said! :D
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:33 |
In all honesty, I think we as humans are destined to look for patterns - even where there is no need or justification for it. It's the same way a thing like reading works. Once learned, you'll never come across a word or sentence, that you don't try to read. In that way we are slaves of the mind. The major difference between the two though, is that we are decisively more individual in our thought patterns and how we tend to apply them. So naturally we are bound to have folks who find correlations between brilliant albums and the years they were produced in. It's still very much according to individual taste.
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:25 |
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 09:36 |
Dean wrote:
Even numbered:
- Close To The Edge
- Relayer
- Thick As A Brick
- Heavy Horses
- Trespass
- Foxtrot
- Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
- Trick Of The Tail
- H To He Who Am The Only One
- Least We Can DO Is Wave To Each Other
- Still Life
- Red
- Lizard
- Octopus
- You
- Crime Of The Century
- Demons And Wizards
- 2112
- Hemispheres
- Permanent Waves
- Moon Madness
- Mirage
- Spirit Of Eden
- Per Un Amico
- Ys
- Storia Di Un Minuto
- L'isola di neinte
- Darwin!
- Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
- Operation Mindcrime
- Space Shanty
- Soft Machine 1 & III
- Leftoverture
- Peter Gabriel 3
- Phaedra
- In The Region Of The Summer Stars
- Red Queen To Gryphon Three
- Emerson, Lake and Palmer
- Trillogy
- Moving Waves
- Saucerful Of Secrets
- Atom Heart Mother
- Utopia
bang goes that theory.
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Posted: March 16 2013 at 04:15 |
1975 is one of the best years - But I loved the 2012 albums too so it really is irrelevant whether its odd or even year.
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Posted: March 16 2013 at 03:30 |
There is one factor that could give rise to an apparent odd-even distribution of albums, and that is the tendency for popular artists to release albums at two-year intervals (Dream Theater, Riverside, Pain Of Salvation, Phideaux, Ayreon and Porcupine Tree have fallen into this biennial periodicity in recent years and not all of them hit odd-year steps) - this is easily explained by how long it takes to go through the "write-record-release-promote-tour" cycle once a band has become established (less established bands have less intensive tour regimes) - this is further supported by those "odd-year" bands releasing "even-year" live albums (and vice versa).
So basically, if your favourite artists hit the big-time on an odd-numbered year then they will continue to release studio albums on odd year periods.
Edited by Dean - March 16 2013 at 03:38
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Posted: March 16 2013 at 03:09 |
Kid A is easily my favourite from any prog album I have heard that dates 2000 or later and it is from, well, 2000. So it can only be a coincidence.
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Posted: March 16 2013 at 02:34 |
I've found that lots of my favourite albums do come from odd numbered years, but I think it's just a coincidence. There are plenty of great albums from even numbered years too.
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 21:43 |
How to listen to lounge music? and What clubs/lounges in downtown Houston play electronic dance musi?
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 20:00 |
Dean wrote:
darkshade wrote:
First off, that's only 70s albums there have been many years that decade ended. Do another list and include odd-numbered albums, and we'll compare. |
I could, and so could you. But there is no reason to do that - the point I was making, (and I think it is made sufficiently as to not require any further examples), is that there is no odd-even correlation at all. And if it doesn't work for the 70s then why bother with the other decades?
darkshade wrote:
But also:
darkshade wrote:
That's not to say that great albums didn't come out in even-numbered years |
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And when there is an acceptably balance between even and odd year-numbers in the Top albums then it is safe to assume that if we measure good years by the number of great albums then, again, there is no odd-even correlation at all.
When there is not logical explanation why there should be a correlation then any perceived correlation will be in question. | Dean's right. If there were anything to it, why would it not apply equally to the 70s? It sounds perhaps like a streak. Even if there were a genuine imbalance, streaks happen. If they didn't no one would get excited about gambling. But I'm not convinced there's any skewing at all, because there's no method of arriving at inter-rater reliability. What gets counted or not counted is simply subjective.
Edited by HackettFan - March 15 2013 at 20:06
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 19:28 |
The Mantle isn't even #1 for 2002.
Enough said.
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 18:55 |
I would agree with this theory, at least in the 21st century. 05, 07, 09, and 11 were great years for prog albums, IMO.
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 17:27 |
I still enjoy 2010 (by going with ratings I'd give out and number of albums vying for my top 10 of the year) the most since I've been paying attention to music for such things (roughly around 07/08). And yes, I know I'm the only one who has these thoughts.
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 16:55 |
The Mayans. I blame the Mayans.
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 14:19 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
I hear volley ball was quite hip back in those days, and as anybody who knows anything'll tell you, then volley ball was a overt gesture towards the making of prog rock(the ball was at the time made out of granite, which makes it one of the first controlled flying rocks - ie prog rock). |
A truly accurate statement concerning the nature of statistics! I often find myself split between the odd and even numbers of almost everything.
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 14:09 |
darkshade wrote:
First off, that's only 70s albums there have been many years that decade ended. Do another list and include odd-numbered albums, and we'll compare. |
I could, and so could you. But there is no reason to do that - the point I was making, (and I think it is made sufficiently as to not require any further examples), is that there is no odd-even correlation at all. And if it doesn't work for the 70s then why bother with the other decades?
darkshade wrote:
But also:
darkshade wrote:
That's not to say that great albums didn't come out in even-numbered years |
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And when there is an acceptably balance between even and odd year-numbers in the Top albums then it is safe to assume that if we measure good years by the number of great albums then, again, there is no odd-even correlation at all.
When there is not logical explanation why there should be a correlation then any perceived correlation will be in question.
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 13:32 |
HolyMoly wrote:
The Crusades.... man those were the days....
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I hear volley ball was quite hip back in those days, and as anybody who knows anything'll tell you, then volley ball was a overt gesture towards the making of prog rock(the ball was at the time made out of granite, which makes it one of the first controlled flying rocks - ie prog rock).
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 13:28 |
The Crusades.... man those were the days....
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Posted: March 15 2013 at 13:22 |
Dean wrote:
Even numbered:
- Close To The Edge
- Relayer
- Thick As A Brick
- Heavy Horses
- Trespass
- Foxtrot
- Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
- Trick Of The Tail
- H To He Who Am The Only One
- Least We Can DO Is Wave To Each Other
- Still Life
- Red
- Lizard
- Octopus
- You
- Crime Of The Century
- Demons And Wizards
- 2112
- Hemispheres
- Permanent Waves
- Moon Madness
- Mirage
- Spirit Of Eden
- Per Un Amico
- Ys
- Storia Di Un Minuto
- L'isola di neinte
- Darwin!
- Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
- Operation Mindcrime
- Space Shanty
- Soft Machine 1 & III
- Leftoverture
- Peter Gabriel 3
- Phaedra
- In The Region Of The Summer Stars
- Red Queen To Gryphon Three
- Emerson, Lake and Palmer
- Trillogy
- Moving Waves
- Saucerful Of Secrets
- Atom Heart Mother
- Utopia
bang goes that theory.
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First off, that's only 70s albums there have been many years that decade ended. Do another list and include odd-numbered albums, and we'll compare. But also:
darkshade wrote:
That's not to say that great albums didn't come out in even-numbered years
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