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HackettFan
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Posted: March 24 2013 at 14:38 | ||
A series of very accessible commercial hooks strung together with irrelevant transitions into one long epic. I'm thinking of Nektar - Recycled. Recycled is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me, but Journey to the Center of the Eye is an epic from the same group that manages to spare us that sort of commercial shlock masquerading as sophistication.
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TODDLER
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Posted: March 24 2013 at 20:17 | ||
You nailed this!
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presdoug
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Posted: March 24 2013 at 20:20 | ||
^I do see what you guys are driving at, but i still love Recycled!
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brainstormer
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Posted: March 24 2013 at 21:08 | ||
Yes, but those of us, like myself, who do feel extreme grief or anger at the human condition realizes that staying there does nothing to change the situation. In fact, it becomes "resisting evil with evil" which we are told not to do (ok, by Christ), but resist evil with good" (prog). Staying in my grief or anger is physically damaging, and science proves that. So, when all these people stay in negative art, to me, it's not a sign of sophistication, it's like being anti-science. That's a different type of Pollyanna attitude.
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Earendil
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Posted: March 24 2013 at 23:56 | ||
The worst cliche in progressive metal is that screechy keyboard solo that always comes in following the extensive guitar solo right before it. It takes it the step too far and it shows up in so many bands. Jordan Rudess especially.
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Metalmarsh89
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Posted: March 25 2013 at 00:58 | ||
He did tone it down on the last album. In fact, it seems he's been cutting back on it since Systematic Chaos. |
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Earendil
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Posted: March 25 2013 at 01:07 | ||
I was really amazed by that album actually. It's phenomenal. Miles ahead of their last last few.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: March 25 2013 at 03:41 | ||
Prog cliche?
How about over-analysis by its fans? |
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HackettFan
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Posted: March 25 2013 at 09:52 | ||
Thanks
I know. It's true. The cliche remains effective, much as I don't want to admit it. |
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chopper
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Posted: March 25 2013 at 10:19 | ||
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Polymorphia
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Posted: March 25 2013 at 10:35 | ||
Grandiose third person lyrics contrasted with "more personal" first or second person lyrics. And You and I and Supper's Ready are two examples. You find this a lot, too, in Japanese Alt Rock.
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: March 25 2013 at 11:33 | ||
Staying with, that is to say, suppressing and beating yourself down with anger is bad. But venting it is good for yourself (maybe not for the neighbourhood ) and music is one way to. I think an artist would one way or the other express his thoughts about subjects that disturb him. But I don't disagree with your point; this sad/serious pose in itself has become a cliche. It's as if anything that doesn't sound serious is inherently bad/pop whatever.
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Progfan2010
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Posted: March 26 2013 at 09:51 | ||
I´d say a cliche in Prog are those unjustified, very intense coming from nowhere Instrumentals, just for the sake of making a Prog-sounding instrumental. Sounds fake. Prog is not meant to be Prog for sounding Prog, but for possessing certain qualities to it, like an intelligent songwriting. Starting a track with cheesy, funny sounding fast and changing tunes is not a characteristic Prog is proud about.
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cstack3
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Posted: March 26 2013 at 12:48 | ||
I like John Wetton's thoughts on the prog idiom:
"Everyone who wants to be progressive, in inverted comas, want to use
mellotrons, Marshall amps and Rickenbacker basses, you know, it's all
back to 1973, which is hardly progressive. So it's very much regressive.
But it seems that progressive has become a generic term for a style of
music which involves time changes, classical moods... "
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 26 2013 at 12:53 | ||
Well he hits the nail on the head imo. Just in that tiny quote. It perfectly explains the never ending debates about prog versus progressive right down to the t.
From having been on the new suggestions team, I did tend to end up in a lot of those...
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:19 | ||
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Gerinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5093 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:48 | ||
Want Prog cliches? just listen to some Neal Morse (and I love most of his music, don't get me wrong).
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Larree
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Posted: March 26 2013 at 14:53 | ||
1973. Yep. I still act like I'm in high school sometimes. Okay. A lot of the time!
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CosmicCabby
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Posted: March 26 2013 at 15:51 | ||
capes, Black holes, spoken word/stories, epic album covers, egos, brilliance, drugs, long pieces, member changes.
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A flower?
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Gerinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5093 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 17:01 | ||
More capes
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