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Is it just me, or do those capes actually make our heroes look, well, ... yeah, you probably do think likewise.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Polymorphia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2013 at 18:42
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I'm very much aware of the allergies some people around here have to that word...
Atchoo. Tongue I have no problem with the word itself, but it is thrown around a lot, when it is "unwarrented, uncalled-for, unjustified..." I would say it's ironic, but that word is thrown around too. Wink
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I like John Wetton's thoughts on the prog idiom:


"Everyone who wants to be progressive, in inverted comas, want to use mellotrons, Marshall amps and Rickenbacker basses, you know, it's all back to 1973, which is hardly progressive. So it's very much regressive. But it seems that progressive has become a generic term for a style of music which involves time changes, classical moods... "

The funny thing is, there are prog fans who think Wetton is pretentious and pompous for saying something so 'offensive'.  Yeah, nevermind if he played with KC and UK, you know more than Wetton about prog, that's the way it goes.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 02:23
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I like John Wetton's thoughts on the prog idiom:


"Everyone who wants to be progressive, in inverted comas, want to use mellotrons, Marshall amps and Rickenbacker basses, you know, it's all back to 1973, which is hardly progressive. So it's very much regressive. But it seems that progressive has become a generic term for a style of music which involves time changes, classical moods... "

The funny thing is, there are prog fans who think Wetton is pretentious and pompous for saying something so 'offensive'.  Yeah, nevermind if he played with KC and UK, you know more than Wetton about prog, that's the way it goes.

I doubt that Weton is well up on the current prog scene tbh. He has basically described Anglagard but I don't think a band like say Anathema are anything like what he describes. John does have his well voiced criticisms of prog not much unlike Steven Wilson has also received similar bashing. However at least Steven knows the prog scene now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 02:31
In 1998, I don't think he'd have been thinking about Anathema and I don't know if prog metal was widely embraced as a part of the wider prog rock umbrella either at that point (I doubt it).   As a description of retro prog, his views hit the nail on the head.  He'd have to be asked in a fresh interview what does he think of bands like Anathema.  However, considering the recent thread where even Wilson's prog credentials were pretty brazenly brought into question, I am not sure the situation has changed much.  There's still a large section of prog listeners who associate it with certain sounds, instruments and styles.  Which is no different from any other rock genre and rock itself is trapped in ubiquity and stereotypes at the moment.  But another cliche of prog is to attempt to present it as something very different and superior from other rock music....and we wonder why critics call it pretentious.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote twseel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2013 at 02:14
If progressive music is based on going against against clichés, doesn't that mean that any cliché used in prog is automatically no longer a cliché, as it's normal to do something different and different to do something normal? In that way the existence of prog-cliché is automatically impossible.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2013 at 03:05
Originally posted by twseel twseel wrote:

If progressive music is based on going against against clichés, doesn't that mean that any cliché used in prog is automatically no longer a cliché, as it's normal to do something different and different to do something normal? In that way the existence of prog-cliché is automatically impossible.
 
It's not a cliché the first time somebody does it.  It becomes a cliché after too many people do the same thing.  Playing guitar like Hendrix wasn't a cliché when Hendrix did it, but later became one.
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I think we seem to have seen that creating a new word
"prog" is legitimate and can have its own rules.  Its become
something different than just an abbreviation of "progressive" rock
for those who care about such things.  

I  think that "prog" that gives most a negative feeling is not true prog.
There wasn't a ton of anger in early prog, there maybe will be
a new term for newer progressive rock that has some of the 
musical elements of prog but not the lyrical content. 

I don't see how you can carry on a tradition and not carry on the
thematic content in a literary sense.   That would not be true
in historical aesthetic movements, like Romanticism, Baroque, 
Impressionsism,  and so on. 



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Having songs that are impossible to listen to and call it your finest piece. Doing blues scale with complex rythms and saying it is influenced by classical music.
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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

^I do see what you guys are driving at, but i still love Recycled!


Like the band REDEMPTION. they recycle somewhat in a good way.
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Moooooooooooooooooog synths a blazin!!!
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Not to be grumpy, but almost everything most prog bands do these days is cliched.
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Originally posted by The_Jester The_Jester wrote:

Doing blues scale with complex rythms and saying it is influenced by classical music.

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Calling any band consist of keyboard, bass player and drummer "ELP clone" is a cliche


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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I like John Wetton's thoughts on the prog idiom:


"Everyone who wants to be progressive, in inverted comas, want to use mellotrons, Marshall amps and Rickenbacker basses, you know, it's all back to 1973, which is hardly progressive. So it's very much regressive. But it seems that progressive has become a generic term for a style of music which involves time changes, classical moods... "

Isn't there a live 90's album with Wetton (Steve Hackett in Japan, or Asia in Japan, or something) where they play an old Genesis or Crimson song and after Wetton asks the audience, "Was that prog enough for you?" LOL
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Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

There are clichés in everything, of course.  But what are the clichés of progressive rock? 
 



Rock Music Critics & Journalists that hate Prog are cliches of Progressive Rock. Tongue

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