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    Posted: March 23 2013 at 20:04
Now, this thread will probably be a flop, but, Chicago's '16' album from 1982 is an album I really enjoy.  I know the band just wasn't the same after the tragic incident with guitarist Terry Kath (the band seemed to be firmly settled in the commercial direction by VIII), but I'm curious if there's any folks out there who appreciate this product from the early 80's ???
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ajay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2013 at 20:17
The only track I've heard from it is Hard To Say I'm Sorry, which played so often on radio that it's in my head, but I can't say I ever sought it out.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2013 at 20:21
Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:

The only track I've heard from it is Hard To Say I'm Sorry, which played so often on radio that it's in my head, but I can't say I ever sought it out.
Yeah, that song is a pretty generic, overplayed 80's ballad, although the end section, entitled 'Get Away', is a nod to their better days. 
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I have found memories of Chicago 80s
Hard habit to break
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2013 at 20:31
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

I have found memories of Chicago 80s
Hard habit to break
Hard Habit To Break is a great song - I actually didn't like Chicago 17 as much as 16, plus, for me, 16 was the strongest album since Chicago X, however, nothing tops the amazing VII for sheer musicianship, complexity and variety.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2013 at 20:58
Of course it's all taste but I'm a much bigger fan of the "pop" Chicago than the heavy early jam Chicago many people praise.  I think they're rather a bore on the serious jam front.....and stuff like "I'm a man"....bores the sh*t out of me. 

OTOH, pop Chicago is great in the mid 70s onward, fun, upbeat, a great singles band.....really knew how to construct great tracks with memorable melodies.  Yeah I know its a little sappy, I don't care....I'll embrace well done sap when its fun. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2013 at 21:01
I realy like Bill Champlins voice
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Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

No.
I was waiting for that !!  LOL
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I have all the Chicago albums through XIV, but still haven't gotten around to 16.   I remember fondly when "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" was a hit.  I prefer the Chicago albums 1-7, but pretty much every Chicago album I've heard has plenty for me to enjoy.  I just like em.
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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

I have all the Chicago albums through XIV, but still haven't gotten around to 16.   I remember fondly when "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" was a hit.  I prefer the Chicago albums 1-7, but pretty much every Chicago album I've heard has plenty for me to enjoy.  I just like em.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 11:04
Never really listened to them after lp 6 or7......on a side note I saw them in 1969 at IU Bloomington, IN.
$3.50....they were still called CTA then. There were only about 300 people in the audience ...great show.
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Aww, c'mon.........
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Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

I really like Bill Champlins voice
I liked him better in his band 'Sons Of Champlin'.  Their debut, entitled 'Loosen Up Naturally' is an essential listen.  The bright, psychedelic artwork inside and out is mind-blowing, too Wink
Getting back to Chicago, the opening cut off '16' - 'What You're Missing', is one of my favourite 80's 'mainstream' cuts, surprisingly written by a Jay Gruska.  I don't know if it's the same 'Jay Gruska' who is credited on the TV series 'Supernatural' though......... 
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half of Toto 16 is Toto and Michael Landau.

and also David Foster is a magician behind the production chair
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Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

half of Toto 16 is Toto and Michael Landau.

and also David Foster is a magician behind the production chair
David Foster was state-of-the-art for production values - the 80's was just perfect for him, however, I thought that most of Seraphine's drumming at this stage was rather straight-forward, and his sound hasn't aged that well - I blame Foster for that one.  His drumming really stands out on 'Follow Me' though.  There's no doubt that this album sounded really fresh and exciting back in '82.
I never really went for Toto, although I am well aware of their top-notch musicianship.  It didn't hurt to have Toto members augmenting the line-up on '16'. 
Many folks 'bash' Pete Cetera, but I think he's a great bassist, has a great voice, and knows how to write a decent tune.  I really like his very first solo album that was released just before '16'.
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