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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Gay affirming Christian here, and proud of it!  It is NOT unbiblical, regardless of what the false prophets say! Wink

Romans 1
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There are Christians out there who have absolutely zero problem with homosexuality and Christians out there who wish to persecute homosexuals.  My guess is that something more is going on than just religion and that homophobic Christians simply are bigoted and religion is a convenient excuse for their hatred.  "My god told me to hate gays, so I have to." 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DisgruntledPorcupine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2013 at 14:11
Originally posted by AlexDOM AlexDOM wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Gay affirming Christian here, and proud of it!  It is NOT unbiblical, regardless of what the false prophets say! Wink

Romans 1

That passage appears to carry a very sexist message. It even outlines how God made gay people gay. Why? So he has someone to punish in case he's bored? Tongue

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Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Originally posted by AlexDOM AlexDOM wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Gay affirming Christian here, and proud of it!  It is NOT unbiblical, regardless of what the false prophets say! Wink

Romans 1

That passage appears to carry a very sexist message. It even outlines how God made gay people gay. Why? So he has someone to punish in case he's bored? Tongue
 
Yeah, that's the kind of god I want to worship.  That god makes a pretty Censoredty person.  Stern Smile
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Guys, even if you believe in God he didn't write the bible.  A bunch of uneducated bigoted old men did.
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Guys, even if you believe in God he didn't write the bible.  A bunch of uneducated bigoted old men did.

True. Tongue
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Guys, even if you believe in God he didn't write the bible.  A bunch of uneducated bigoted old men did.
That's partly true. I wonder if they were really bigots at the time of writing though. Applying 21st Century morals and ethics to people who lived quite a few centuries ago is quite...well, I don't want to be rude.

Now of course following their writing 100% to the letter so many centuries later might also be not totally wise.
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Guys, even if you believe in God he didn't write the bible.  A bunch of uneducated bigoted old men did.
That's partly true. I wonder if they were really bigots at the time of writing though. Applying 21st Century morals and ethics to people who lived quite a few centuries ago is quite...well, I don't want to be rude.

Now of course following their writing 100% to the letter so many centuries later might also be not totally wise.
 
But whichever way you look at it.  It still means your on a sticky wicket taking it as the 'word of God' even if you are a Christian. 
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2013 at 17:15
...what does omniscience mean again?


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My faith is ever strengthened...
I count it joy to be labeled a bigot and foolish for my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ!
The Gospel is divisive, I will never ever deny that fact.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2013 at 17:18
oh, I thought it meant something else.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The T Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2013 at 17:20
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...what does omniscience mean again?
Your capacity here in PA.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Larree Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2013 at 17:20
So true.  One cannot apply 21st Century morals and ethics to people who lived in biblical times.  You cannot even do it with people who lived just a few hundred years ago.  That is one of the biggest problems with the study of history in general.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2013 at 17:23
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...what does omniscience mean again?
Your capacity here in PA.
It just seems that way, I'm just inexplicably fortunate with random guessing.


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Originally posted by AlexDOM AlexDOM wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Gay affirming Christian here, and proud of it!  It is NOT unbiblical, regardless of what the false prophets say! Wink

Romans 1

Yeah, I've read it.  First of all, the chapter/verse thing has hurt the Bible, not helped it.  It's caused people to read the Bible like a constitution.  Paul is playing chess in Romans, setting up a structure that he can then topple.  He's battling the false gospels of legalism and gnosticism - asceticism and hedonism.  Also, you have to understand the history and the culture of the day, in which it was acceptable for Romans to go nuts with their pleasure seeking and go to orgies, and have sex with temple prostitutes in the worship of a false god - heterosexual and homosexual prostitution.  Then you have to pay close attention to the word "natural".
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Originally posted by Larree Larree wrote:

So true.  One cannot apply 21st Century morals and ethics to people who lived in biblical times.  You cannot even do it with people who lived just a few hundred years ago.  That is one of the biggest problems with the study of history in general.
Actually on many things you can. Human nature has not changed that much over several tens of thousand years, and considering that a lot (or "most" or "all" depending on who you choose to believe) of our morals and ethics are supposed to come from "the church" in the first place then we can judge them by our standards because our standards are their standards with a small amount of modifcation that we've managed to crow-bar into our codes of morality inspite of the overwhelming influence of the church over the past two thousand years. Like it or not we are as bigotted now as they were then, we are as homophobic now as they were then, we are as immoral and as amoral as they ever were, we are as prudish and we are as promiscuous. We did not invent all those "sins" listed in Leviticus, Romans, Corintians and the gospel acording to saint Tim - all we've ever did different was ease up on the punishments - we no longer consider that "...that those who do such things deserve death..." and feel ourselves "righteous" for saying it... and that is the only thing we can judge them differently on.


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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by AlexDOM AlexDOM wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Gay affirming Christian here, and proud of it!  It is NOT unbiblical, regardless of what the false prophets say! Wink

Romans 1

Yeah, I've read it.  First of all, the chapter/verse thing has hurt the Bible, not helped it.  It's caused people to read the Bible like a constitution.  Paul is playing chess in Romans, setting up a structure that he can then topple.  He's battling the false gospels of legalism and gnosticism - asceticism and hedonism.  Also, you have to understand the history and the culture of the day, in which it was acceptable for Romans to go nuts with their pleasure seeking and go to orgies, and have sex with temple prostitutes in the worship of a false god - heterosexual and homosexual prostitution.  Then you have to pay close attention to the word "natural".

You just described America ha ha. 
There are so many scriptures too including some of Revelation.
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