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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

He still had and has the wow factor in  Asia and Three.

most of that 3 album is dreadfull AOR/POP excepting Desda La Vida , a good track but nowhere near as good as classic ELP and the playing sounding laboured to my ears (but I like the lyrics and atmosphere of it)

Asia's debut album did have some proggy stuff before they decided to go full AOR on Alpha although Wildest Dreams is the only track with the supposed 'wow factor' drumming wise that I can hear. Sole Survivor is also a good track and Palmer is very solid but thats all. What else?

We will never agree Richard, ever. I happen to regard Three's album very highly. 
Sorry to say, but who the heck is Robert Berry when he's at home ??..................LOL Where did they find him ??  I do not like his prescence on that album..........................

Palmer's manager suggested the collaboration.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

He still had and has the wow factor in  Asia and Three.

most of that 3 album is dreadfull AOR/POP excepting Desda La Vida , a good track but nowhere near as good as classic ELP and the playing sounding laboured to my ears (but I like the lyrics and atmosphere of it)

Asia's debut album did have some proggy stuff before they decided to go full AOR on Alpha although Wildest Dreams is the only track with the supposed 'wow factor' drumming wise that I can hear. Sole Survivor is also a good track and Palmer is very solid but thats all. What else?

We will never agree Richard, ever. I happen to regard Three's album very highly. 
Sorry to say, but who the heck is Robert Berry when he's at home ??..................LOL Where did they find him ??  I do not like his prescence on that album..........................

Palmer's manager suggested the collaboration.
What was Berry's pedigree ??  Did he previously play with anybody significant ???
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

He still had and has the wow factor in  Asia and Three.

most of that 3 album is dreadfull AOR/POP excepting Desda La Vida , a good track but nowhere near as good as classic ELP and the playing sounding laboured to my ears (but I like the lyrics and atmosphere of it)

Asia's debut album did have some proggy stuff before they decided to go full AOR on Alpha although Wildest Dreams is the only track with the supposed 'wow factor' drumming wise that I can hear. Sole Survivor is also a good track and Palmer is very solid but thats all. What else?

We will never agree Richard, ever. I happen to regard Three's album very highly. 
Sorry to say, but who the heck is Robert Berry when he's at home ??..................LOL Where did they find him ??  I do not like his prescence on that album..........................

Palmer's manager suggested the collaboration.
What was Berry's pedigree ??  Did he previously play with anybody significant ???

No but he was a multi instrumentalist with solo albums. He was in a band called Hush too.
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For such a derided album 'Love Beach' sure gets a lot of attention here!
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Originally posted by Terra Australis Terra Australis wrote:

For such a derided album 'Love Beach' sure gets a lot of attention here!

What? In a poll specifically about it? I wonder why...
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Terra Australis Terra Australis wrote:

For such a derided album 'Love Beach' sure gets a lot of attention here!

What? In a poll specifically about it? I wonder why...

The fact that it is the poll in the first place!
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Originally posted by Terra Australis Terra Australis wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Terra Australis Terra Australis wrote:

For such a derided album 'Love Beach' sure gets a lot of attention here!

What? In a poll specifically about it? I wonder why...

The fact that it is the poll in the first place!

Hmmm. Not sure I'm with you. Do you mean this one poll? Are you including all past polls? (if there are any)


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I guess it just shows how disappointed people are with it. I often find discussions based on how bad it is. This poll is another example of this. 
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Originally posted by Terra Australis Terra Australis wrote:

I guess it just shows how disappointed people are with it. I often find discussions based on how bad it is. This poll is another example of this. 

If anything this poll is revealing how much people like it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2013 at 10:05
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Terra Australis Terra Australis wrote:

I guess it just shows how disappointed people are with it. I often find discussions based on how bad it is. This poll is another example of this. 

If anything this poll is revealing how much people like it.
 
Exactly why I started the poll.  Why no avalanche of ITHS jokes?
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

Love Beach was also the last album where Palmer's drumming had a "wow" factor, and his work with Asia definitely lacks his earlier dynamism. I think he continued to be a very good drummer but the true magic was gone. Anyway, here's a reminder of what made CP (and ELP) so awesome.
Great youtube clip with ELP at the height of their magic.  This is what frustrated me so much about Asia.  My fave bassist (Wetton) with my 2nd fave drummer (CP), Steve Howe, and Geoff Downes and they threw all that prog mojo away to do radio friendly rubbish like "Heat of the Moment".  Oh well, I guess even prog superstars gotta eat!


Oh come on now, as much as I endorse your sentiments about such a squandering of talent, it was damn catchy
admit it?

Ya, it was catchy, but also embarrassing at the same time.  I think they should have gone incognito and disguised themselves for the music videos  Cool
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Just a fact that many folks can't grasp - 'Love Beach is NOT the dog it's made out to be'...............
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Just a fact that many folks can't grasp - 'Love Beach is NOT the dog it's made out to be'...............

a fair summation would be it has some good moments but shows a band in decline

its gets a bad rap because:

a) the cover
b) it was a 'contractural obligation album'
c) the band themselves didn't like it

that's plenty of reasons why it has such a bad reputation but for me its an 'ELP album'. I can recognise it as ELP and if they hadn't made it we would always wonder 'what if?'.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Just a fact that many folks can't grasp - 'Love Beach is NOT the dog it's made out to be'...............

a fair summation would be it has some good moments but shows a band in decline

its gets a bad rap because:

a) the cover
b) it was a 'contractural obligation album'
c) the band themselves didn't like it

that's plenty of reasons why it has such a bad reputation but for me its an 'ELP album'. I can recognise it as ELP and if they hadn't made it we would always wonder 'what if?'.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Terra Australis Terra Australis wrote:

For such a derided album 'Love Beach' sure gets a lot of attention here!

What? In a poll specifically about it? I wonder why...
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 
What was Berry's pedigree ??  Did he previously play with anybody significant ???[/QUOTE]

No but he was a multi instrumentalist with solo albums. He was in a band called Hush too.
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I have always thought of Berry as Trevor Rabin or Billy Sherwood: a younger guy who had been exposed to classic prog and liked it but gave up following its true values and just hoped that they could use its foundations and fanbase to create a new, mainstream oriented success story, they teamed up with the broken dinosaurs to achieve their goal in an easier way, shortcutting half of the process (possibly a respectable vision but they failed, not achieving neither mainstream success not recognition by the prog fans).
At any rate we can not blame them, they were a product of their time, Asia or GTR tried the same without being pulled by a young guy.
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 
What was Berry's pedigree ??  Did he previously play with anybody significant ???

No but he was a multi instrumentalist with solo albums. He was in a band called Hush too.

I have always thought of Berry as Trevor Rabin or Billy Sherwood: a younger guy who had been exposed to classic prog and liked it but gave up following its true values and just hoped that they could use its foundations and fanbase to create a new, mainstream oriented success story, they teamed up with the broken dinosaurs to achieve their goal in an easier way, shortcutting half of the process (possibly a respectable vision but they failed, not achieving neither mainstream success not recognition by the prog fans).
At any rate we can not blame them, they were a product of their time, Asia or GTR tried the same without being pulled by a young guy.
Good overview of Bob Berry.  I don't know him personally but am from the same area and recall that his family owned "Berry Piano and Organ" in the 60's-70's in San Jose.  In 1978 I was playing in a local prog band and we all went to see the band he was in, "Hush" play a free show from the parking lot of "The Wherehouse" record store in Mountain View.  It was pretty pedestrian music with a bit of prog tossed in.  I remember we were jealous because they had great gear and a PA  LOL 

In May 1993 Steve Hackett came to a local club called "The Cabaret" and the opening band was billed as, "Bob Berry and Friends Unplugged" or something.  I thought they were pretty awful and remember them doing a cover of "Fanfare for the Common Man" that was at least 10 minutes too long.


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They are both best forgotten..........
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Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Terra Australis Terra Australis wrote:

I guess it just shows how disappointed people are with it. I often find discussions based on how bad it is. This poll is another example of this. 

If anything this poll is revealing how much people like it.
 
Exactly why I started the poll.  Why no avalanche of ITHS jokes?
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In The Hot Seat = ITHS !!
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