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Posted: April 04 2013 at 15:12
Snow Dog wrote:
Tormato is much better than Love Beach. But disagree with Richard(as laways it seems) Palmer continued to be a top drummer.
I love ELP and Yes but am much more likely to listen to Love Beach than Tormato. Aside from its inherent comedy value Love Beach is also more dynamic and energetic. It's hard to believe Tormato was released just a year after the brilliant Going for the One. The drumming sounds like damp cardboard boxes, Wakeman was experimenting with a range of ghastly keyboard sounds and Howe had lost his guitar mojo. The only tracks that work for me are the ballady ones Onward and Madrigal
Love Beach was also the last album where Palmer's drumming had a "wow" factor, and his work with Asia definitely lacks his earlier dynamism. I think he continued to be a very good drummer but the true magic was gone. Anyway, here's a reminder of what made CP (and ELP) so awesome.
"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 15:03
richardh wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Cactus Choir wrote:
God there are so many howlers on Taste of My Love, I’ve often thought it must be a mickey take:
“I want to hold you and enfold you beyond reason I want to dynamite your mind with love tonight”
“Call up room service, order peaches and cream I like my desert first - if you know what I mean. Yeah, taste it, taste it, taste it”
And the thought of chubby Greg Lake singing those lyrics with his big Cheshire Cat grin makes it even funnier than Spinal Tap’s Big Bottom to these ears.
Great One
I used to have a .sig that read:
"Every day a little sadder, a little madder, someone get me a ladder" - and who says Greg Lake writes awful lyrics???
Its shows a sense of humour at least that they embarked on the 'Someone Get Me A Ladder' tour following Brain Salad Surgery's release.
Lake has written some excellent lyrics. Trilogy (the album and track) from that perspective stands up well. BSS was more 'out there' and Still You Turn Me One is fine if taken in the context of the whole album
I've never heard that before...did they actually refer to it as the "Someone get me a ladder tour"? I could see Keith or Carl saying that (they're both very funny guys) but Greg just seems a bit too serious to go along with it. Although, there is a funny story about the original King Crimson. When Fripp (who had the popular Mitch Mitchell, Eric Clapton, late 60's white guy afro) told the other members of Crimso he was going to sit on a stool to play, Greg Lake said something like, "you can't do that, you'll look like a giant mushroom".
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 14:36
Snow Dog wrote:
richardh wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Tormato is much better than Love Beach. But disagree with Richard(as laways it seems) Palmer continued to be a top drummer.
By 'top drummer' I mean the very highest echelons. Palmer won loads of drumming awards in the seventies. In the eighties he turned himself into a proficient but ordinary AOR drummer imo.
Not ordinary imo
that was as fast a response as a Carl Palmer drum roll (circa 1973)
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 14:33
richardh wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Tormato is much better than Love Beach. But disagree with Richard(as laways it seems) Palmer continued to be a top drummer.
By 'top drummer' I mean the very highest echelons. Palmer won loads of drumming awards in the seventies. In the eighties he turned himself into a proficient but ordinary AOR drummer imo.
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 14:32
Snow Dog wrote:
Tormato is much better than Love Beach. But disagree with Richard(as laways it seems) Palmer continued to be a top drummer.
By 'top drummer' I mean the very highest echelons. Palmer won loads of drumming awards in the seventies. In the eighties he turned himself into a proficient but ordinary AOR drummer imo.
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 14:25
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Cactus Choir wrote:
God there are so many howlers on Taste of My Love, I’ve often thought it must be a mickey take:
“I want to hold you and enfold you beyond reason I want to dynamite your mind with love tonight”
“Call up room service, order peaches and cream I like my desert first - if you know what I mean. Yeah, taste it, taste it, taste it”
And the thought of chubby Greg Lake singing those lyrics with his big Cheshire Cat grin makes it even funnier than Spinal Tap’s Big Bottom to these ears.
Great One
I used to have a .sig that read:
"Every day a little sadder, a little madder, someone get me a ladder" - and who says Greg Lake writes awful lyrics???
Its shows a sense of humour at least that they embarked on the 'Someone Get Me A Ladder' tour following Brain Salad Surgery's release.
Lake has written some excellent lyrics. Trilogy (the album and track) from that perspective stands up well. BSS was more 'out there' and Still You Turn Me One is fine if taken in the context of the whole album
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 13:24
Cactus Choir wrote:
God there are so many howlers on Taste of My Love, I’ve often thought it must be a mickey take:
“I want to hold you and enfold you beyond reason I want to dynamite your mind with love tonight”
“Call up room service, order peaches and cream I like my desert first - if you know what I mean. Yeah, taste it, taste it, taste it”
And the thought of chubby Greg Lake singing those lyrics with his big Cheshire Cat grin makes it even funnier than Spinal Tap’s Big Bottom to these ears.
Great One
I used to have a .sig that read:
"Every day a little sadder, a little madder, someone get me a ladder" - and who says Greg Lake writes awful lyrics???
Edited by The.Crimson.King - April 04 2013 at 13:25
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 11:45
Love Beach by a comfortable distance, as it has far more energy than
ITHS (anagram for SH!T). I agree with those who point out how good Carl
Palmer’s drumming sounds on this album, especially the title track. With
a bigger production Love Beach could have become an AOR hit along the lines of Boston - after all it's not a million miles
from what Asia had success with a few years later. But the title
and cover torpedoed any chance of that and turned it into a joke.
ExittheLemming wrote:
In no particular order of toe curling wretchedness: When I Finally marched from Sandhurst, I'd learned to put my fellow man first
Yes it's great now you're a full time nurse, but do be careful with the air-raids getting worse
I'm gonna love you like nobody ever loved you climb on my rocket and we'll fly.
It's time to disappear - with you, to where the skies are blue.
God there are so many howlers on Taste of My Love, I’ve often thought it must be a mickey take:
“I want to hold you and enfold you beyond reason I want to dynamite your mind with love tonight”
“Call up room service, order peaches and cream I like my desert first - if you know what I mean. Yeah, taste it, taste it, taste it”
And the thought of chubby Greg Lake singing those lyrics with his big Cheshire Cat grin makes it even funnier than Spinal Tap’s Big Bottom to these ears.
"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 07:22
Snow Dog wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
If a little more thought from the art department went into presenting the bloody thing, it may have saved it a lot of flack. The cover shot is atrocious. The back photo was quite mellow . One of the worst covers of any record I own - even the 'Hawklords' album cover had a bit of intrigue to it.......not that it was much better..........
WEll the whole band hate the cover and Emerson lobbied Atlantic to change the album title.
It could have been worse (just). They could have had the cover of the first Montrose album.
Palmer is on fire on this album. The Gambler has such a good 'feel' and a cool moog solo in the middle. Emmo's Yamaha GX1 sounds a bit cheesy, but well played. Always a joy to hear a clavinet, and surprisingly some e-piano too. The piano parts on side 2 are exquisite. I suppose Greg was using his 8 string Alembic bass at this stage..? And again, Palmer really put in some serious effort to raise the quality to another level. Shame about the cover.........
'For You' is excellent. Canario is excellent. I've been acquainted with this album since 1988 and apart from the cover, I've never thought ill of this album - I was disappointed there was no Hammond, though.
Regarding Palmer that would have been the last album that he played with a single bass drum ( or maybe he did with PM? - not sure). With Asia he adopted 2 bass drums and deliberately changed his style of playing. Love Beach is virtually his last hurrah as a top drummer sadly.
The first time I heard Palmer with 2 bass drums was toward the end of 'Sole Survivor' - that first Asia album is another similar 'goodie' as Love Beach. I'm really glad that there are many folks out there who appreciate LB. It's possibly on par with 'Tormato'.
I agree that Love Beach is nowhere near bad as its most vociferous critics would have us believe and yes, Carl's drumming is excellent throughout BUT: Nothing like damning something with feint praise is there?
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 06:56
richardh wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Palmer is on fire on this album. The Gambler has such a good 'feel' and a cool moog solo in the middle. Emmo's Yamaha GX1 sounds a bit cheesy, but well played. Always a joy to hear a clavinet, and surprisingly some e-piano too. The piano parts on side 2 are exquisite. I suppose Greg was using his 8 string Alembic bass at this stage..? And again, Palmer really put in some serious effort to raise the quality to another level. Shame about the cover.........
'For You' is excellent. Canario is excellent. I've been acquainted with this album since 1988 and apart from the cover, I've never thought ill of this album - I was disappointed there was no Hammond, though.
Regarding Palmer that would have been the last album that he played with a single bass drum ( or maybe he did with PM? - not sure). With Asia he adopted 2 bass drums and deliberately changed his style of playing. Love Beach is virtually his last hurrah as a top drummer sadly.
The first time I heard Palmer with 2 bass drums was toward the end of 'Sole Survivor' - that first Asia album is another similar 'goodie' as Love Beach. I'm really glad that there are many folks out there who appreciate LB. It's possibly on par with 'Tormato'.
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 01:59
Tom Ozric wrote:
Palmer is on fire on this album. The Gambler has such a good 'feel' and a cool moog solo in the middle. Emmo's Yamaha GX1 sounds a bit cheesy, but well played. Always a joy to hear a clavinet, and surprisingly some e-piano too. The piano parts on side 2 are exquisite. I suppose Greg was using his 8 string Alembic bass at this stage..? And again, Palmer really put in some serious effort to raise the quality to another level. Shame about the cover.........
'For You' is excellent. Canario is excellent. I've been acquainted with this album since 1988 and apart from the cover, I've never thought ill of this album - I was disappointed there was no Hammond, though.
Regarding Palmer that would have been the last album that he played with a single bass drum ( or maybe he did with PM? - not sure). With Asia he adopted 2 bass drums and deliberately changed his style of playing. Love Beach is virtually his last hurrah as a top drummer sadly.
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 01:55
Tom Ozric wrote:
Palmer is on fire on this album. The Gambler has such a good 'feel' and a cool moog solo in the middle. Emmo's Yamaha GX1 sounds a bit cheesy, but well played. Always a joy to hear a clavinet, and surprisingly some e-piano too. The piano parts on side 2 are exquisite. I suppose Greg was using his 8 string Alembic bass at this stage..? And again, Palmer really put in some serious effort to raise the quality to another level. Shame about the cover.........
'For You' is excellent. Canario is excellent. I've been acquainted with this album since 1988 and apart from the cover, I've never thought ill of this album - I was disappointed there was no Hammond, though.
Lack of Hammond is a real downer. Emerson wanted to try and create an orchestral feel with the keyboards (mainly the Yamaha GX1 as you mention) which he managed really well on Memoirs Part 1 but otherwise it sounds too 'thin' elsewhere for my taste. It was meant to be a radio friendly album so I guess the idea was to avoid too much of a big sound. However as I mentioned before Genesis created a radio friendly album in Duke that still felt like a 'big production to my ears.
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Posted: April 03 2013 at 23:52
Palmer is on fire on this album. The Gambler has such a good 'feel' and a cool moog solo in the middle. Emmo's Yamaha GX1 sounds a bit cheesy, but well played. Always a joy to hear a clavinet, and surprisingly some e-piano too. The piano parts on side 2 are exquisite. I suppose Greg was using his 8 string Alembic bass at this stage..? And again, Palmer really put in some serious effort to raise the quality to another level. Shame about the cover.........
'For You' is excellent. Canario is excellent. I've been acquainted with this album since 1988 and apart from the cover, I've never thought ill of this album - I was disappointed there was no Hammond, though.
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Posted: April 03 2013 at 14:37
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Definitely Love Beach. Ya, it has the gagworthy title track and "Taste of My Love", but the sidelong "Memoirs..." more than makes up for that. It's one of those "1 sided albums" that never got off side 2 on my turntable.
The title track is saved by some very nifty drumming imo. Side One has some highlights especially the girlie backing vocals on The Gambler and more nifty drumming on Canario. For You is an excellent song that deservedly found its way onto the Return of The Manticore box set.
I like Memoirs parts 1 and 2 but part 3 just meanders before the sudden melodramatic 'the telegram...'.Part 4 is just plain lazy. Just had to be a ' March'
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Posted: April 03 2013 at 11:53
Definitely Love Beach. Ya, it has the gagworthy title track and "Taste of My Love", but the sidelong "Memoirs..." more than makes up for that. It's one of those "1 sided albums" that never got off side 2 on my turntable.
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Posted: April 02 2013 at 16:37
richardh wrote:
The Dolby Surround version of Pictures was originally released on the box set called Return Of The Manticore which I already had in my collection when ITHS was released. It was of course a bonus track and an attempt to raise some interest in a very dull album. One track even featured a session keyboard player and a session drummer.
Yers I know, I got Return of the Manticore after ITHS.
But still that piece pays the album, and with a small investment, I paid 100 bucks in Lima for the box set and like 6 bucks in Santiago de Chile for ITHS
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