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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 08:21
I feature these artists you've listed on my weekly prog show, The Prog Rock Palace, kdvs.org, from 12-2 PM PST.  I really love the 70s-era prog and those more obscure bands, including some that you listed, are featured prominently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 09:02
I prefer the pre digital era Prog because I know for a fact the artists were actually playing the music.  If I even suspect that the bands or artist has been copy and pasting sound files, using someone elses samples or digitally altering the timing of the rhythm tracks.. it goes right into the trash can.  Why? Because they are not playing it.

There are kids releasing songs now on itunes that have never even held an instrument.  It's become silly and I won't support it.  You support that "Apple Garage Band" stuff, not me.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 09:20
Oh God, he's back.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 09:51
Originally posted by Surrealist Surrealist wrote:

I prefer the pre digital era Prog because I know for a fact the artists were actually playing the music.  If I even suspect that the bands or artist has been copy and pasting sound files, using someone elses samples or digitally altering the timing of the rhythm tracks.. it goes right into the trash can.  Why? Because they are not playing it.

There are kids releasing songs now on itunes that have never even held an instrument.  It's become silly and I won't support it.  You support that "Apple Garage Band" stuff, not me.





Do you  also only read books that were written with a quill pen?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 10:00
I agree with Dean.   I heard of Renaissance completely by chance and if I had not checked out sub genre pages and the bands mentioned there, I may not have heard of the other bands mentioned in the OP either.   You don't often see these bands figuring in forum discussions either, so how does one get to know in the first place, let alone forgetting about their existence.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 10:01
Originally posted by Surrealist Surrealist wrote:

I prefer the pre digital era Prog because I know for a fact the artists were actually playing the music.  If I even suspect that the bands or artist has been copy and pasting sound files, using someone elses samples or digitally altering the timing of the rhythm tracks.. it goes right into the trash can.  Why? Because they are not playing it.

There are kids releasing songs now on itunes that have never even held an instrument.  It's become silly and I won't support it.  You support that "Apple Garage Band" stuff, not me.



Frankly, I suspect that most of the 70's Prog artists were also a fraud: there's a reason for the Beatles to stop performing live. There's a reason for Pink Floyd using synthesizers and effects or Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson using electric keyboards instead of true pianos.
And don't start me about Fripp and its "Frippertronics", another proof that Prog artists are nothing but conmen and swindlers!!! Angry

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 10:11
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Surrealist Surrealist wrote:

I prefer the pre digital era Prog because I know for a fact the artists were actually playing the music.  If I even suspect that the bands or artist has been copy and pasting sound files, using someone elses samples or digitally altering the timing of the rhythm tracks.. it goes right into the trash can.  Why? Because they are not playing it.

There are kids releasing songs now on itunes that have never even held an instrument.  It's become silly and I won't support it.  You support that "Apple Garage Band" stuff, not me.



Frankly, I suspect that most of the 70's Prog artists were also a fraud: there's a reason for the Beatles to stop performing live. There's a reason for Pink Floyd using synthesizers and effects or Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson using electric keyboards instead of true pianos.
And don't start me about Fripp and its "Frippertronics", another proof that Prog artists are nothing but conmen and swindlers!!! Angry


Why, those fakers!!!!AngryAngryAngry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 10:13
No.  Never heard of any of them.  Umm hang on um .......
 
 
 
(PS Did some one call Flying Teapot C.R.A.P ?  Surely not?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 10:54
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

No.  Never heard of any of them.  Umm hang on um .......
 
 
 
(PS Did some one call Flying Teapot C.R.A.P ?  Surely not?

The sound quality of the Charly CD issue is crap.

The music is good but is easily my least favorite of the Trilogy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 11:10
I'm (18)some older bands(slightly lesser known) I like although still pretty well known include : soft machine, camel, mahavishnu orchestra, jean luc ponty, magma, caravan, gentle giant, mothers of invention, eloy, and gong. that being said i don't a fair amount of the bands on the list you've posted 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 11:20
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

No.  Never heard of any of them.  Umm hang on um .......
 
 
 
(PS Did some one call Flying Teapot C.R.A.P ?  Surely not?

The sound quality of the Charly CD issue is crap.

The music is good but is easily my least favorite of the Trilogy.
 
 I've only got it on Vinyl oddly.  But, either way glad you don't think the music is crap Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 12:15
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Surrealist Surrealist wrote:

I prefer the pre digital era Prog because I know for a fact the artists were actually playing the music.  If I even suspect that the bands or artist has been copy and pasting sound files, using someone elses samples or digitally altering the timing of the rhythm tracks.. it goes right into the trash can.  Why? Because they are not playing it.

There are kids releasing songs now on itunes that have never even held an instrument.  It's become silly and I won't support it.  You support that "Apple Garage Band" stuff, not me.



Frankly, I suspect that most of the 70's Prog artists were also a fraud: there's a reason for the Beatles to stop performing live. There's a reason for Pink Floyd using synthesizers and effects or Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson using electric keyboards instead of true pianos.
And don't start me about Fripp and its "Frippertronics", another proof that Prog artists are nothing but conmen and swindlers!!! Angry


Why, those fakers!!!!AngryAngryAngry
Pft! It's not exactly news - I have listened to Yessongs and Exit...Stage Left several times and I'm convinced they are recordings, perhaps I'm not using the right equipment but when I get the black plastic thing out of the paper sleeve thing the neither Yes nor Rush appear in my living room to give a live performance of the songs listed on the back of the cardboard thing. Fraudulent advertising to say the least.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 12:34
None of the bands cited are forgotten, anyone into prog has heard of them.

There are other bands/artists that recorded some fantastic music but that don't have that much echo those days :
Steel Mill
Castle Canyon
Narita
Rhesus O
Sacros
Fort Mudge Memorial Dump
Eishtlinn
Bergendy
Piramis
Games
Tamarisk
Space Art
Aquelarre
Mahagon
Diana Express
Egba
Wara
The Cosmic Jokers (w/ Klaus Schulze)

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 12:55
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

None of the bands cited are forgotten, anyone into prog has heard of them.

There are other bands/artists that recorded some fantastic music but that don't have that much echo those days :
Steel Mill
Castle Canyon
Narita
Rhesus O
Sacros
Fort Mudge Memorial Dump
Eishtlinn
Bergendy
Piramis
Games
Tamarisk
Space Art
Aquelarre
Mahagon
Diana Express
Egba
Wara
The Cosmic Jokers (w/ Klaus Schulze)



^Okay, these ones are really, really obscure - except for the Cosmic Jokers, but I'm not sure this project was the best thing from Germany (at least, the musicians involved in it don't sound very enthusiastic about it).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 12:57
Some folks seem to be misunderstanding my intent and some seem to think I have bad intentions or am a troll. My friends, nothing could be further from the truth! Smile

I have a degree in sociology and therefore find it interesting that certain age groups tend be exposed to certain eras of prog while the younger fans give a wtf reaction many times when I mention these bands. Back in the day prog bands were either symphonic or not, heavy or not but usually weren't heavy plus complex etc. These days it's anything goes. Back then the bands followed certain unwritten rules more closely and in that sense things were maybe a bit more predictable compared to today. However, the point is many of you young fans are missing some great stuff and many of the older fans too. A lot of these bands go under the radar even in prog circles these days. THat is the point of this thread. It's not about being a hardcore collector. It's about being exposed. Don't get sucked into buying something just because it's new. Explore for yourself. I am not going to keep repeating myself here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 12:59
This was not an April fool's joke folks. But maybe the  joke is on me. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 13:54
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

None of the bands cited are forgotten, anyone into prog has heard of them.

There are other bands/artists that recorded some fantastic music but that don't have that much echo those days :
Steel Mill
Castle Canyon
Narita
Rhesus O
Sacros
Fort Mudge Memorial Dump
Eishtlinn
Bergendy
Piramis
Games
Tamarisk
Space Art
Aquelarre
Mahagon
Diana Express
Egba
Wara
The Cosmic Jokers (w/ Klaus Schulze)



^Okay, these ones are really, really obscure - except for the Cosmic Jokers, but I'm not sure this project was the best thing from Germany (at least, the musicians involved in it don't sound very enthusiastic about it).
No Poissons here....I don't know any single band of the list
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 14:11
Mind if I contribute some bands wholly unmentioned so far?

Fields (Greenslade for children)
Arzachel (It's Egg with whatshisname)
Gotic (Spanish Flamenco Folk)
Buon Vecchio Charlie (RPI, and damn good too.)
If (Chicago from the UK)
Iceberg (Spanish Mahavishnu)
Isotope (Gary Boyle's fusion group)
Jukka Tolonen (Jazz rock from Sweden. Or Norway. Perhaps Findland. Maybe even Denmark.)
Marsupilami (Pass. But it's good.)
Murple (Penguin obsessed Italian stuff)
Paladin (A bit like Colosseum, less keyboards though.)
Solution (Mix Supersister with Caravan and Freddie Mercury.)
Trace (Dutch keyboard abuse)
Yellow Magic Orchestra (Japanese wonderment.)

These bands are all late 60's to late 70's (and drifting into the 80's as well) and really have some fantastic songs to discover, but they're lesser known because their whole albums aren't as solid as the well known ones which is why they're lesser known because people are more likely to have not bothered buying the albums when they first came out.

That's how it works right?

And thumbs up to the person who mentioned Gryphon, they baroque and roll!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 14:18
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I am not the best prog expert, but I know them all (except Paladin).
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 15:09
Some other overlooked 70s bands which deserve a mention

Dzyan (excellent Krautrock/fusion from Mannheim, Germany)
Brainstorm (brilliant jazz rock from Germany)
Passport (same-band is still going!)
Beggar's Opera ( a cross between Heavy prog and Symphonic)
Quatermass (brilliant overlooked keyboard based trio)
Wallenstein (led by classically trained keys player-great)
Andromeda (great Heavy prog guitar based trio)


Edited by presdoug - April 01 2013 at 15:32
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