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Now that we are joking, why don't we use Confused instead of stars to rate poor albums?
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Ah the Frenchman strikes again...... tho its almost 10pm here in Australia so April Fools is over for us
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:43
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Oh dear.
 
 
Scott, it is the happy Frenchman Mr. Picard who is joking with us, not Mr Traveller.

Yes..the thread was started in march. A bit obvious really.Shocked
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Oh dear.
 
 
Scott, it is the happy Frenchman Mr. Picard who is joking with us, not Mr Traveller.
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Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

With all the younger music fans getting into prog these days it seems that many of them are forgetting about some of the important but lesser known older bands. Sure they know about Yes, ELP, PF, KC, Genesis and a few others but it seems some of them have gone under the radar. I'm not even sure how familiar most younger fans are with Gentle Giant. With all the new stuff that comes out or gets discussed it's easy to get sidetracked by prog bands from the past ten to fifteen years or so and forget about the older ones.

So I'm wondering if you feel these bands have been neglected. I'll list about twenty or so. Also, if you are under 40 please state that too(if you want) so I know you weren't into these bands 20 plus years ago.


These are just some bands off the top of my head:

Nektar
Barclay James Harvest
Triumvirat
Twelfth Night (from the 80's)
Mastermind (90's band)
Mannfred Mann's earth band
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo)
Procol Harum
The Strawbs
Banco (del mutuo soccorso)
Eloy
Starcastle
Happy the Man
Crack the Sky (more art rockish)
Focus
Argent
Renaissance
Gong
Supersister
Clearlight (French band)
Finch
Ange
Rare Bird
Captain Beyond
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories)
Atomic Rooster
Colosseum
Greenslade
Cast (90's band from Mexico)
FM
Just about any seventies Italian band
Just about any seventies French band
Heck just about any seventies band from any country other than England.

Please add any band you feel is significant but overlooked from around 1967 or so up to the 90's. The 90's or 80's could be another thread entirely. The point is to not have them be too recent.


I saw Nektar mentioned on another prog site and it got me thinking. If Nektar aren't mentioned much in prog circles(especially these days)then probably most older bands aren't. With all the newer stuff coming out it seems that most prog fans especially younger ones get caught up in the flavor of the week and either forget about or don't bother searching out long lost classics or bands that maybe sang in a foreign language. Lots of good stuff out there pre 2000, pre 1990 and of course pre 1980.







all the bands in the list exist so this cant be an April Fools joke. more about suggesting we havent heard of any of em
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Definitely not March.





It's July!
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I thought we were still on March.....didn't realize that's the Jour de Poisson 
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Points: 14256 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:23
Is this an April Fools thread?

How can one not have heard of most of those bands?
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^ I suspect the accuser is in danger of being hoisted by his own Picard petardWink
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I think that the OP is trolling us: I never heard of any the bands he's talking and most of the names he wrote sound so phoney that I think he just made them up.
Never heard the Nice ? Confused Manfred Mann ? ConfusedConfused Banco del Mutuo Soccorso ? ConfusedConfusedConfused Renaissance ? ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I think that the OP is trolling us: I never heard of any the bands he's talking and most of the names he wrote sound so phoney that I think he just made them up.
Never heard the Nice ? Confused Manfred Mann ? ConfusedConfused Banco del Mutuo Soccorso ? ConfusedConfusedConfused Renaissance ? ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused
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I think that the OP is trolling us: I never heard of any the bands he's talking and most of the names he wrote sound so phoney that I think he just made them up.
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I know what you mean Prog Traveller, I believe most people getting into prog these days are doing so via modern bands, simply because they have bigger coverage for their music and are easier to find. Of course the road to getting into more famous 70's bands from there is short, thanks to sites like this.

Happily I know all the bands from your list and like most of 'em, but sadly I can come up with even a more obscure list. 
About 90% of my music are 70's bands, I found out about modern prog after I got into 70's prog and I was so glad the torch have passed.
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Points: 5093 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 04:26
Discovering and learning to know music takes time and trial and error. It's only normal if some younger prog fans did not discover some or many of these bands yet, I'm 46 and I am only vaguely familiar with several of them.
They will discover them eventually if they want to, no worries.

I don't think younger proggers (or older ones for what matters) should give any priority to buying a 70's Greenslade album to buying Big Big Train's English Electric or the latest Glass Hammer album. There's a time for everything.
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Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

Ok folks now for the mother ship list. Here is a similar list with many of the same bands from the first list but a bit more comprehensive. This one is strictly seventies(since it was initially intended for a local radio station who does an only seventies prog show once a year).  Have at it(I almost feel like I'm unleashing steak to a bunch of hungry sharks. ;) ). Many of these bands are pretty essential for the serious prog collector imo(your mileage may vary).



PFM  - excellent
Banco  - excellent
Le Orme - excellent but inconsistent
King Crimson - even when not brilliant, always interesting
Gentle Giant - good, but often disappear up their own backsides re complexity
Hawkwind - cosmiche hippy w.a.n.k.
Kraan  - ok but noodly
Can - excellent but inconsistent
Amon Duul II - intermittently excellent
Ash Ra Tempel - poor man's cosmiche hippy w.a.n.k
Eloy - ok but samey
The Strawbs - mediocre folk
Nektar - good but uneven
Alan Parson's Project - s.h.i.t.e.
Greenslade - excellent
England - ok but a tad derivative
Flash (Yes offshoot band featuring Peter Banks) - never heard
Fruupp - mediocre
Finch - excellent
Supersister - excellent
Focus - excellent
Kayak (another Dutch band) - never heard
Wigwam (Finnish band) - never heard
Magma - good but a tad overwrought in places
Ange - good but uneven
Clearlight - never heard
Gong - (apart from the airborne tea pot c.r.a.p) good
Van der Graaf Generator - brilliant
Chicago- brass rawk s.h.i.t.e.
Kansas - ok, borderline pomp
Happy the Man - brilliant
Crack the Sky - never heard
Fireballet - make Yes tribute bands sound original
Camel - good but often bland
Caravan - ok
National Health - excellent
Hatfield and the North - excellent
Renaissance - good
Soft Machine - ok
Kraftwerk - robotic mechanical s.h.i.t.e. (and deliberate, go figure)
Tangerine Dream - stoned German hippys I once saw in concert, none of them appeared to move (ever)
Rush - good
FM - never heard but Nash the Slash was in them I think?
Harmonium - ok but bland
Far East Family Band - never heard
Ambrosia - never heard
Journey - saw them live and lived to regret it - s.h.i.t.e.
Frank Zappa- good




Just as a point of interest/debate - why do you assume that Prog's longevity is best served by 'serious prog collectors'? Ain't those the guys who kill the butterflys in jars? Most of us come to PA to seek out interesting and adventurous music irrespective of what preceded it or followed on. We don't want to become curators in a museum do we?


Edited by ExittheLemming - April 01 2013 at 04:09
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I'm 23. I've heard of nearly every band listed on the provided list, but Focus is the only one I've actually checked out to any extent, and with much pleasure. I've also heard Manfred Mann's and Procol Harum's popular songs on the radio, but nothing aside from those.

I'm still pretty new to the prog scene. It doesn't mean I will never check these bands out, as I probably will sooner or later for some. As far as the classic prog acts go, I haven't even checked out everything from the Big 7 (Rush included). Part of it is that I don't limit myself to prog. I've begun exploring other types of music as well. There's just so much music to check out and so little time to listen to it. You can hardly fault one for not knowing all the classics, especially when trying to keep up with the modern and in-between eras as well. I do believe you are not trying to do that though. Smile
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Nektar - Great Band - love them!
Barclay James Harvest - Made some nice songs!
Triumvirat - Cool Band, at least their eralier releases!
Twelfth Night (from the 80's) - I like!
Mastermind (90's band) - ??
Mannfred Mann's earth band - Yeah, very good, although not all albums!
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo) - havenīt actually ever hear a song by them.
Procol Harum - Some good tunes, but I am not too familiar with them.
The Strawbs - ??
Banco (del mutuo soccorso) - Not a big fanof them but I enjoy some of their stuff!
Eloy - Love them!!
Starcastle - ??
Happy the Man - I only know and own Crafty Hands, which I kind of like!
Crack the Sky (more art rockish) - ??
Focus - Cool!
Argent - ??
Renaissance - OK
Gong - know some stuff but canīt really say much
Supersister - ??
Clearlight (French band) - ??
Finch - ??
Ange - Horrible, canīt stand them!
Rare Bird - ??
Captain Beyond - ??
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories) - Not too bad!
Atomic Rooster -??
Colosseum -??
Greenslade - ??
Cast (90's band from Mexico) - ??
FM - ??
Just about any seventies Italian band
Just about any seventies French band
Heck just about any seventies band from any country other than England:
NEUSCHWANSTEIN!!!!! Their album Battlement is a masterpiece!!!!! One of my all time Top 5 albums.
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I'll be 58 in a few months....I've seen many of these bands, my favorite in the pile is probably Captain Beyond (I saw them backing up Alice Cooper, 28 July 1972!).  I worked on their attempted comeback in 2001, but it was not to be.  RIP Rhino and Lee Dorman.  

However, nearly all of these bands have been discussed regularly on PA, either for specific albums or for the talent of individual artists in the bands.  

Starcastle?  I was friends with 'em.  

Happy the Man?  Check 'em out.  I've always liked them.  

NebelN'est is another band that could be added to the list....French lads, really talented!  




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I've seen Mastermind twice. They were at the very first Nearfest back in 1999. They were a key band in the nineties prog scene but then sort of went off most people's radar. I saw them at a bar near me in 2004 or so. A really nice bunch of guys too. 
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Looks like Mastermind has some of their albums on bandcamp as well.  I have, and like, the following:

Mastermind Volume Two &quot;Brainstorm&quot;
http://mastermind.bandcamp.com/album/mastermind-volume-two-brainstorm

Mastermind III Tragic Symphony
http://mastermind.bandcamp.com/album/mastermind-iii-tragic-symphony

Warning, while the music is generally quite good, the vocals are generally quite not.  So I personally most recommend this one:

Mastermind Excelsior!

All instrumental!  And much more in the jazz fusion mode than the other two I know.
However I wasn't able to find a free streaming version of that one.

Apparently later albums have some nice female vocals.  I've not heard them.
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