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    Posted: March 31 2013 at 14:36
With all the younger music fans getting into prog these days it seems that many of them are forgetting about some of the important but lesser known older bands. Sure they know about Yes, ELP, PF, KC, Genesis and a few others but it seems some of them have gone under the radar. I'm not even sure how familiar most younger fans are with Gentle Giant. With all the new stuff that comes out or gets discussed it's easy to get sidetracked by prog bands from the past ten to fifteen years or so and forget about the older ones.

So I'm wondering if you feel these bands have been neglected. I'll list about twenty or so. Also, if you are under 40 please state that too(if you want) so I know you weren't into these bands 20 plus years ago.


These are just some bands off the top of my head:

Nektar
Barclay James Harvest
Triumvirat
Twelfth Night (from the 80's)
Mastermind (90's band)
Mannfred Mann's earth band
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo)
Procol Harum
The Strawbs
Banco (del mutuo soccorso)
Eloy
Starcastle
Happy the Man
Crack the Sky (more art rockish)
Focus
Argent
Renaissance
Gong
Supersister
Clearlight (French band)
Finch
Ange
Rare Bird
Captain Beyond
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories)
Atomic Rooster
Colosseum
Greenslade
Cast (90's band from Mexico)
FM
Just about any seventies Italian band
Just about any seventies French band
Heck just about any seventies band from any country other than England.

Please add any band you feel is significant but overlooked from around 1967 or so up to the 90's. The 90's or 80's could be another thread entirely. The point is to not have them be too recent.


I saw Nektar mentioned on another prog site and it got me thinking. If Nektar aren't mentioned much in prog circles(especially these days)then probably most older bands aren't. With all the newer stuff coming out it seems that most prog fans especially younger ones get caught up in the flavor of the week and either forget about or don't bother searching out long lost classics or bands that maybe sang in a foreign language. Lots of good stuff out there pre 2000, pre 1990 and of course pre 1980.






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Genesis is better though..
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Good list.I agree that many younger fans know little of these bands. At 49, I don't know a few myself! I have introduced a young friend of mine to Manfred Mann, Eloy, and The Move and he loves them all. On the flip side, my girlfriend hates almost all my prog music. Oh, well.
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I'm a young guy (as in 21 next month), and I like a lot of them, especially Renaissance, Crack the Sky, Happy the Man, and Gong. I've also seen 3 out of those 4

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Nektar  I like only the first album
Barclay James Harvest Never checked them enough
Triumvirat Same As Above
Twelfth Night (from the 80's) Same
Mastermind (90's band) Who?
Mannfred Mann's earth band I still listen to them sometimes.
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo) 5 Bridges suite is one of my fav tracks ever
Procol Harum Great. 
The Strawbs Sometimes but I don't love them too much
Banco (del mutuo soccorso) Sometimes but not a fan
Eloy A band that I still love
Starcastle Nice clone. Not bad.
Happy the Man Never heard
Crack the Sky (more art rockish) Totally unknown to me
Focus Just Hocus Pocus 
Argent Nexus is not bad but it's the only thing I know of them
Renaissance In my top 10 bands
Gong Together with Renaissance
Supersister Not bad
Clearlight (French band) Never heard
Finch  Love Glory Of The Inner Force
Ange I think I miss something
Rare Bird
Captain Beyond
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories)
Three bands I don't know
Atomic Rooster Good but non essential
Colosseum Another big band. They have one of the best lives of the history
Greenslade Good band but I don't know much
Cast (90's band from Mexico) Unknown
FM Same
Just about any seventies Italian band
Just about any seventies French band
Heck just about any seventies band from any country other than England.

There's a lot of great stuff out of the traditional countries.


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I am familiar to one degree or another with most of these bands and I have not forgotten them.  Indeed, I have been (re)discovering many of them over the last few years.  But then I am not among the younger crowd here.  Are most Prog fans younger?  Or Older?  At 52, I count myself older.
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Originally posted by Progosopher

I am familiar to one degree or another with most of these bands and I have not forgotten them.  Indeed, I have been (re)discovering many of them over the last few years.  But then I am not among the younger crowd here.  Are most Prog fans younger?  Or Older?  At 52, I count myself older.
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I'm 34. As I'm Dutch myself, I know all about Focus and Supersister. Renaissance and Eloy are also big favourites of mine. The others bands I don't know too well, but I'm checking out some of them. Procol Harum is quite good, but I'm not impressed by Barclay James Harvest.
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Nektar - never stuck with me
Barclay James Harvest - meh
Triumvirat - decent (though I'm mostly unfamiliar)
Twelfth Night (from the 80's) - thumbs up
Mastermind (90's band) - Idk them
Mannfred Mann's earth band - lol
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo) - never listen to, but do know of
Procol Harum - meh
The Strawbs - good
Banco (del mutuo soccorso) - top notch
Eloy - good to very good
Starcastle - average to my ears (but I was never the biggest yes fan around)
Happy the Man - top notch
Crack the Sky (more art rockish) - don't know
Focus - good to very good
Argent - don't know
Renaissance - enjoyable (though a bit out of my taste range at times)
Gong - love
Supersister - pretty good (if uneven to my ears)
Clearlight (French band) - good to very good
Finch - don't know
Ange - good (though mostly unfamiliar)
Rare Bird - don't know
Captain Beyond - ditto
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories) - SGS is excellent
Atomic Rooster - good
Colosseum - good to very good
Greenslade - don't know
Cast (90's band from Mexico) - ditto
FM - fitto

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Nektar Never heard of em
Barclay James Harvest Like a couple of their songs but generally not a fan
Triumvirat Never heard
Twelfth Night
Never heard
Mastermind
Never heard
Mannfred Mann's earth band
Love them
The Nice Like a couple of their songs but generally not a fan
Procol Harum Like a couple of their songs but generally not a fan
The Strawbs
Love them
Banco (del mutuo soccorso) Like them
Eloy Never heard
Starcastle Never heard
Happy the Man Love them
Crack the Sky Never heard
Focus Love them
Argent Never heard
Renaissance Love Them
Gong Love them
Supersister Love them
Clearlight Never heard
Finch Never heard
Ange Never heard
Rare Bird Never heard
Captain Beyond Never heard
Cathedral Never heard
Atomic Rooster Not a fan
Colosseum Never heard
Greenslade Never heard
Cast Never Heard
FM Never heard
Just about any seventies Italian band (PFM)
Just about any seventies French band (Harmonium, Morse Code, Magma)
Heck just about any seventies band from any country other than England. (Bo Hansson, Eden, Kebnekajse, Earth And Fire, Anglagard)

I also think Egg, Hatfield & The North, Family, Caravan, Camel (too well known?), National Health, Illusion, Supertramp (too well known?), & Van der Graaf Generator (too well known?).  (I'm less than 40)


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Forgotten?
 
Not by me!!
 
In there, you've got a good chunk of my record collection.
 
BJH - have 7 albums and they're very good to OK but their Live album is stunning
MMEB - have 6 albums and they're all good to very good
The Nice - have 2 albums, both good
Procul Harum - 3 albums, all good
Strawbs (NOT The Strawbs!) I think I have every album they ever recorded and some albums are complete masterpieces (From the Witchwood, Grave New World, Hero & Heroine)
Eloy - have 4 albums, all of which are very good
Focus - have 5 albums, Moving Waves beng the pick
Renaissance - have 7 albums (and 2 Illusion albums made by the original line up) all of which are excellent
Rare Bird - have 4 albums, As Your Mind Flies By being the best
Atomic Rooster - have 3 albums, Death Walks Behind You being the best
Colosseum - have 3 albums, all of which are very good
Greenslade - have 4 albums; love the music, don't like the vocals
 
Other criminally ignored bands: The Enid (have 7 albums: In the Region of the Summer Stars and Aerie Faerie Nonsense are brilliant), Uriah Heep (7 albums; Salisbury is their best), Gryphon (have everything; Midnight Mushrumps is the best whole side track ever and Red Queen their best album), 10cc (have 5 albums; the original "Art Rock" band - Sheet Music is brilliant), Be Bop Deluxe (have 5 albums; another superb "Art Rock" outfit). I don't think Caravan are as revered as they should be, either.
 
I'm sure there are others but I can't be bothered to trawl through 1500 albums to find them.
 
 


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I am well above forty .. from your list, I listen regularly to one and only band, namely Renaissance:

Nektar: heard them, not impressed
Barclay James Harvest: have them, very rarely listen to
Triumvirat: heard them, not impressed
Twelfth Night (from the 80's): heard them, not impressed
Mastermind (90's band): no idea
Mannfred Mann's earth band: had some great moments long agonot interesting any more
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo): had some great moments long agonot interesting any more
Procol Harum: have them, find rather boring to listen to
The Strawbs: had some good moments decades agonot interesting any more
Banco (del mutuo soccorso): not bad at all, but couldn't tell them from other RPI bands of the same time period
Eloy: OK-ish for those who like band like Eloy
Starcastle: don't remember
Happy the Man: no idea
Crack the Sky (more art rockish): no idea
Focus: had some good moments decades agonot interesting any more
Argent: no idea
Renaissance: a decent band with quite a few good albums - have them and listen to them
Gong: heard them - not impressed
Supersister: no idea
Clearlight (French band): no idea
Finch: no idea 
Ange: no idea
Rare Bird: heard of them
Captain Beyond: no idea
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories): heard of them
Atomic Rooster: had some good moments decades agonot interesting any more 
Colosseum: heard of them 
Greenslade: no idea
Cast (90's band from Mexico): no idea
FM: no idea




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People cannot forget what they never knew. There is a reason why obscure bands are obscure and lesser known bands are lesser known.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Duke of Rother Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2013 at 17:21
Argonaught.

In what way are several of the bands "not interesting anymore" to you?

Is it because you find the music dated, or are you following the newer prog bands and, having moved with the times, find going back in time is just not for you?

Personally speaking I am still discovering new and old bands and find them equally rewarding but then I wasn't really listening to prog (beyond the obvious ones) back then so a lot of it, despite being 30/40 years old is still new to me.
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QUOTE=Dean]People cannot forget what they never knew. There is a reason why obscure bands are obscure and lesser known bands are lesser known.[/QUOTE]
 
Are you implying that these bands are lesser known and less good?
 
Because Barclay James Harvest, Focus, Renaissance, Strawbs and Mannfred Mann's Earth Band were all bigger than (say) Van de Graaf Generator and probably even King Crimson in terms of fans and record sales in the 70s. Uriah Heep also were massively bigger than either. They were not obscure then for sure.
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I am nineteen and have admittedly only heard roughly a quarter of the bands on your list. I find it is commonly only the most popular and highest regarded bands that remain in the spotlight decades later, especially with a genre like progressive rock that does not have the same number of fans as many other types of music. Besides, with so much incredible music to discover, it makes sense that new fans are most familiar with the names that made the biggest impact on the scene!
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I can't help but think ALL of the bands mentioned in that original post have a small devoted little following, and the Archives is perfect for bringing all the fans of those acts together!

Prog fans will continue to love, cherish and support these acts, and I'd hope all those artists feel humbled and a sense of pride being involved, no matter how long ago, in something that is still appreciated now, and slowly but surely adding a new fan here and there as they go!
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