Dream Theater wins March Metal Madness Tournament

It was a public vote yes, but only for Afghan sailors.

Gerinski wrote: I like much from DT and I don't like much from them either, but in any case I don't care much for public tournaments, it's my own musical taste I care for, not other's. Images and Words is a great album, whether it's better or worse than others, I'm not going to discuss here, 'better' or 'worse' are absolute adjectives which fall short when discussing a lot of music.

dtguitarfan wrote: Add to that this little corruption: How does one acquire the ability to give ratings that are weighted 20 times?  They are given the ability by the vote of the other people who already have the ability.  Think of it this way - ::rant:: Do you see my point? Not that I care anymore - I've pretty much completely lost the bug that drove me to want to write reviews anyways.  But this frustration might have contributed to that and I don't understand how anyone thinks this is fair.

dtguitarfan wrote: Dayvenkirq wrote: Biff Tannen wrote: It's not, which is why, while the ratings here can be a useful guide, they should not be taken seriously as any kind of definitive list.  The idea that collaborators ratings count  for more than all of ours is nothing short of absurd, but hey, it's their site and they can do what they want with it.  But that doesn't mean we have to take the skewed ratings seriously. Geoff, that's what more than one person said to you half-a-year ago. The fact that other people admit this is absurd, but then say, with a cynical helpless tone, "oh well, we just have to live with it" is sad.  Don't you want the site to get better and to represent the will of the users better, rather than the will of the elite club who decide "the only way you get into our elite club is if your opinions match our opinions"?

I don't really like MoP, but I love I&W, so I'm happy with the result

Biff Tannen wrote: It's not, which is why, while the ratings here can be a useful guide, they should not be taken seriously as any kind of definitive list.  The idea that collaborators ratings count  for more than all of ours is nothing short of absurd, but hey, it's their site and they can do what they want with it.  But that doesn't mean we have to take the skewed ratings seriously.

Geoff, that's what more than one person said to you half-a-year ago.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - April 10 2013 at 00:01

dtguitarfan wrote: Dean wrote: dtguitarfan wrote: And one final dig...remove that 20x weighting for the elites on your charts and see what happens, I dare you!  Then the top 100 would be populated entirely by all those lesser-known albums with a single lone rating...   ...like this one: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9195    ...and wouldn't that be bags of fun. Here's the thing, Dean - I've watched one of my favorite albums slowly (painfully slowly) climb to the top of a yearly list after 3 years, with over 200 ratings.  And then a few weeks later when I went to show someone - surprise!  An album with 40 ratings was over it.  Because one collab and one reviewer had written 5 star reviews for it.  Tell me that's fair.

Add to that this little corruption:
How does one acquire the ability to give ratings that are weighted 20 times?  They are given the ability by the vote of the other people who already have the ability.  Think of it this way - it is starting to become more and more apparent to the American people that the Republican party has simply gone crazy.  Even Republicans who are polled say in over 50% margins that the party is extreme.  But they have majority in Congress because of gerrymandering.  But this will only hurt them in the end, because they are overconfident that they will keep these seats, and they keep pandering to their "base" in order to win primaries, while turning the rest of the country off in a big way.  So eventually they'll lose.  But let's say, instead of having to win the vote of the people, the only way to get into Congress was for Congress to vote you in.  The House would slowly be overtaken by extreme Republicans and it would just become more and more extreme.  Do you see my point?
Not that I care anymore - I've pretty much completely lost the bug that drove me to want to write reviews anyways.  But this frustration might have contributed to that and I don't understand how anyone thinks this is fair.

Never heard about Loudwire. 

dtguitarfan wrote: And one final dig...remove that 20x weighting for the elites on your charts and see what happens, I dare you!

Then the top 100 would be populated entirely by all those lesser-known albums with a single lone rating...

oooooo I see that it beat Sabbath's Paranoid album as well and I've always loved Sabbath dearly. However although it pains me to say it Images and Words is by far a better album although Black Sabbath was probably one of DT's fathers in almost the literal sense of the word. Sabbath - the father, Rush - the mother and Metallica - a cousin - seems to sum up DT's musical family history for me. Personally, had Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage been used it would have been a really tough call for me had I had the swaying vote - the same would have applied to Priest's Sad Wings of Destiny album.