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Dean
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Posted: April 22 2013 at 02:39 | |||||||
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: April 22 2013 at 18:32 | |||||||
You're right, it isn't. But you do have a General Music Discussion forum which gets a lot of traffic. This is what I meant when I said that everyone registered at PA listens to what he or she considers good music, otherwise would that forum be as active as it is? I'm starting to detect a little condescension here. I hope I'm wrong. |
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Dean
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Posted: April 22 2013 at 18:57 | |||||||
What people listen to and what they discuss in the General Music Discussions is not the same as suggesting those artists for inclusion in the PA or discussing them in a Suggest Artist thread.
I hope you are too, I gear my answers to where they are posted.
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stegor
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 11:00 | |||||||
Funny - XTC was the first non-prog band I looked for when I was trying to find the edge of the Prog boundaries as drawn by ProgArchives. They weren't here, but it was evident that it wasn't because they weren't considered, based on the depth and width and breadth of the map.
But it didn't surprise me. XTC showed up with punk, and were instrumental in dismantling Prog right along with the Sex Pistols. I noticed that PIL, Magazine and Shriekback are missing also, which suggests to me that it's not just the style of music that designates Prog, it's also the effect that the artist had on Prog culture. Never mind that XTC was influenced by BeBop Deluxe, The Residents and Beefheart, they were here to slay the dinosaurs. So from that angle I can see why they could be considered Anti-Prog. But by killing prog they rescued it. It couldn't go on like it was. Not with Love Beach. Prog had jumped the shark. XTC was like a stealth bomber. Or maybe a Trojan horse. They looked like punk, sounded like punk, smelled like punk, and kicked Greg Lake's arse. But if you were paying attention, you might have noticed that songs like X-Wires, from their debut album, sounded more like Beefheart than The Sex Pistols. And then, when we least expected it, after they wiped out Tull, ELP, Yes and Genesis, they served up a full-on capital P Progressive Rock double album: English Settlement. Clever little pricks. So personally, I can see how they shouldn't be included, and at the same time see how they should be considered the most important Prog band of the '80's. I don't know what I would have done without them. |
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tszirmay
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 11:15 | |||||||
If you are going to suggest XTC, then might as well throw in Ultravox, John Foxx, Magazine and Depeche Mode! All are amazing bands with superb music but its just not progressive rock.!
Argent , the band did skirt the prog rim (Nexus, Circus albums) but Rod is more of a figure, rock icon kind of guy. Now Garfield was a super band from Canada with a majestically gorgeous album Out there Tonight, featuring 5-6 tracks that would bowl over any progfan
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 11:19 | |||||||
Just because a band is progressive doesn't mean it needs to be here. By that comparison, we should have Wire and Pere Ubu in here as well. Progressive? Yes indeedy! Prog rock? No way!
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stegor
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 12:19 | |||||||
Agreed (except for Depeche Mode)! You gotta stop somewhere, and as much as I love a lot of the usual suspects that get mentioned often (including Pere Ubu) they just don't seem to belong in ProgArchives. Edited by stegor - April 23 2013 at 12:20 |
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 16:05 | |||||||
Excuse me? Did you honestly believe I had the two confused? Can you show me where I give that impression? My point was that though there are different forums for different subjects, this is all one site and we're all here out of a love of good music.
Can you point out where you’re not being condescending in either of your answers? |
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Dean
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 16:26 | |||||||
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 17:53 | |||||||
No, not at all. Just trying to find common ground. |
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 18:03 | |||||||
Hey, Ultravox! That's the ticket! Actually, at one point I was going to suggest them, since some of the elements of prog are there, though it's clear now that it would meet with plenty of opposition. I bought that Garfield 2-fer CD last year, and it was my first listen of "Strange Streets"; I was already familiar with "OTT." I know the vocals probably turned off a few people, but musically I agree it's definitely in the realm. |
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Dean
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 18:20 | |||||||
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Dean
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 18:25 | |||||||
Rejected by Crossover soon after.
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stegor
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 20:26 | |||||||
Wow - that was interesting to look back at. Visage! Fond, poofy memories. I know we're going way off topic now, but All those bands that went down the Bowie/Kraftwerk/Roxy path like Magazine, Ultravox and Gary Numan - I absolutely love them as much as any Prog. But I started listening to them around 1980 precisely because they were NOT Prog. Add to that Polyrock, and some real obscurities like The Units, Experiments With Ice and Ceramic Hello. Then there's OMD. I don't care how hard you try, despite the fact that OMD did some incredibly unique and experimental music they will never be Prog (I just checked to make sure I wouldn't have to eat my words).
Of course OMD is not XTC, so let's get back on topic. All this bickering has distracted everyone from my erudite dissertation on XTC. Now go back there and read it for cryin out loud! |
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chopper
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Posted: April 24 2013 at 06:50 | |||||||
XTC killed prog? I thought the Clash had already done that. Slightly ironic then that Dave Gregory ended up playing in 2 prog bands and Andy Partridge has collaborated with Peter Blegvad.
And is English Settlement really a prog album? Edited by chopper - April 24 2013 at 06:51 |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 24 2013 at 07:07 | |||||||
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someone_else
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Posted: April 24 2013 at 07:40 | |||||||
... and recently with Mike Keneally. Not really, I think. But it is a very clever album, a fine example of a New Wave band that has lifted up its music to a higher level. Note: another New Wave band, Talking Heads, is included in Prog Related. |
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chopper
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Posted: April 24 2013 at 10:07 | |||||||
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 24 2013 at 10:30 | |||||||
Well I never thought it was before and I'm not going to start to now.
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stegor
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Posted: April 24 2013 at 11:51 | |||||||
Well, if English Settlement is XTC's proggiest album but still isn't Prog then XTC isn't Prog! Pretty simple.
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