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    Posted: April 10 2014 at 17:59
Must be a paper from Birmingham Alabama  based on the local weather report in the upper right corner.
5cents for the paper...must have been in the early 50's....?
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^ the last two digits of the date are showing and it says "47" - I'd take a wild stab at it 1947

From the temperatures in the weather report I'd say it was early summer - probably July.

The article also mentions the "Age-Herald city room", a quick check on Wiki says the Birmingham Age-Herald was owned by the publisher of the Birmingham News, with the former being a morning paper and the later an evening paper. 

So it is most probably the Birmingham News from the evening of 7th (or 8th) July 1947.

Is this date significant in any way?




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^Maybe, if throughout the space out of our planet there were some possible detecting effects of the two atomic bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945

Edited by Rick Robson - April 10 2014 at 18:57
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Yep it is near the date of the famous Roswell incident.

RAAF Captures Flying Saucer
On Ranch in Roswell Region

Roswell Daily Record, Tuesday, July 8, 1947.




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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2014 at 19:04
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521

Originally posted by Svetonio


If the lights are actually the reflections of the deer's eyes, the distance between the lights would have to be less; a deer do not have eyes like an owl. Btw, the company could have a hell of reasons for such birdbrained "explanation".


Yes they do in so far as the reflection of light viewed in the camera is concerned. Many animals have a tapetum lucidum as an ocular layer. Those which are diurnal typically do not express this, such as humans. Animals like deer and owls do.

It's a great example of convergent evolution.
I (now) suspect he may have been referring to monocular vision (deer) vs binocular vision (owl) but his comment about the distance between the lights threw me. Still don't follow what he's getting at though.


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Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521

Originally posted by Svetonio


If the lights are actually the reflections of the deer's eyes, the distance between the lights would have to be less; a deer do not have eyes like an owl. Btw, the company could have a hell of reasons for such birdbrained "explanation".


Yes they do in so far as the reflection of light viewed in the camera is concerned. Many animals have a tapetum lucidum as an ocular layer. Those which are diurnal typically do not express this, such as humans. Animals like deer and owls do.

It's a great example of convergent evolution.
I (now) suspect he may have been referring to monocular vision (deer) vs binocular vision (owl) but his comment about the distance between the lights threw me. Still don't follow what he's getting at though.



Yeah. I have a hard time seeing how that, or really anything, would relate to his dismissal.
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Anyone else followed the case of the mysterious black ring over Leamington Spa which turned out to be a leftover smoke ring from fireworks?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Yesterday at 04:37
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis

Anyone else followed the case of the mysterious black ring over Leamington Spa which turned out to be a leftover smoke ring from fireworks?
Spooky things have mundane explanations. 

This is the most fascinating aspect of all for me. Flights of fancy and wild speculations are all very entertaining but the analytical and deductive reasoning that assesses the available information and observes correlations in that evidence to produce a plausible and rational explanation that can be verified by further observation and experimentation is the essence of all human discovery. Without this we would still marvel at the Sun-god being carried across the sky by a fiery chariot every day.


...of course "Firework creates perfect smoke-ring" would not have been a news-worthy story.


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In more serious notes related to the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, for the first time the existence of an Earth-like planet in another solar system has been confirmed. Of course, from being able to support life to actually having intelligent life let alone the kind of industrial civilization necessary for space travel is quite the stretch already.
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a Class M planet, evidently
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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis

In more serious notes related to the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, for the first timethe existence of an Earth-like planet in another solar system has been confirmed. Of course, from being able to support life to actually having intelligent life let alone the kind of industrial civilization necessary for space travel is quite the stretch already.
I still struggle to see what SETI is actually looking for when it comes to detecting "Intelligence" at cosmic distances. But hey-ho, they do valid work in detecting exoplanets so I guess they can keep the "I" in SETI.

The detection of exoplanets is by passive (ie non-intelligent) perturbation of the star these planets orbit. We can directly observe some exoplanets but at present we can only see massive gas-giants that are orbiting at some distance from the host star. Either way none of these can, or ever will, give any indication of life on those exoplanets, let alone intelligent life.

We know from observations of Mars that occupying the circumstellar habital zone (CMZ) does not automatically mean that water does exist in liquid form on those exoplanets. It is current speculated that Mars has always been too cold for liquid water because its atmosphere has never been thick enough to support it. Similarly, being of Earth-size within the CMZ is also no guarantee that liquid water could exist on the surface, even if it has an atmosphere thick enough for the greenhouse effect to partially regulate surface temperatures between 0C and 100C, it also needs a hot liquid core to help regulate surface temperatures and an intrinsic magnetosphere to protect the atmosphere and planet surface. Mars has neither of those for example where as Venus may have a liquid core but since it has an induced magnetosphere it is unlikely. 

We know that Venus is just fractionally outside the CMZ of our solar system, an observer on Kepler-186f using the transit-effect to observe Venus to the same accuracy that we can observe variations in the brightness of Kepler-186 by the transit of Kepler-186f would speculate that Venus is within the CMZ.


Of course that does not mean that Kepler-186f is not habitable, it could be, it's unlikely, but it could be so we can always speculate. Even though direct observation of the only other known CMZ planet within our solar system is gradually moving away from the idea that life could have existed on Mars, we will still get headline-grabbing observations of strange lights and unusually landscape structures in those observations that will spark a wave of speculation that will result in fascinating yet mundane explanations. Again, I find these mundane explanations far more interesting than the speculative theories they generate.


Edited by Dean - Yesterday at 06:18


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