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    Posted: August 30 2013 at 15:29
To answer your question, definitely. Lots of examples already said Big smile
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Sure a band can be "prog" without a studio album.  Twelfth Night released 2 or 3 live cassette only albums before they were able to record "Fact and Fiction".  They didn't magically "become prog" (or neo-prog in their case) by stepping into a recording studio.  
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Larree Larree wrote:

Originally posted by pianoman pianoman wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


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We heard it now, so I guess it is.

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Suggested and rejected some months ago, but I'm not sure to have chosen the right subgenre. Do you think they are prog at least? 
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Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

What if a band was very prog,undeniably and obviously prog in its sound and style and instrumentation and technique and all the rest of it, but with the exception that the band never makes a studio album, only live albums.  How important is the studio album in regarding this-or-that band as being prog? 
If the only Gentle Giant album was Playing The Fool,  or if the only Genesis album was Seconds Out, would they be prog?
If the only Dream Theater albums were their live ones, would they be prog?
 
We seem to mainly focus on a band's studio albums, but what if a band never made one, yet was prolific in the release of live recordings?
 

A prog band  can exists without studio album(s) but the studio work with all of studio effects made prog as a genre  imo.


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Originally posted by Investinmolden Investinmolden wrote:

I think it can be the question about studio effects - are they so essential to music which we consider as prog rock or they are not? You can easily imagnine (and hear of course) King Crimson, Yes, ELP or even Marillion and Dream Theater playing live same stuff as on studio album. But then take,for the example, most known progressive Pink Floyd albums like Dark Side of the Moon or Whish You Were Here - they're very "produced" (which I mean very well produced) and sample tracks need to be used live to make it sound enjoyable.


But sampling can be done live to great effect. And, I for one really dig it when people can control it themselves, making it a relatively more viable part of the artistic experience.
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Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

What if a band was very prog,undeniably and obviously prog in its sound and style and instrumentation and technique and all the rest of it, but with the exception that the band never makes a studio album, only live albums.  How important is the studio album in regarding this-or-that band as being prog? 
If the only Gentle Giant album was Playing The Fool,  or if the only Genesis album was Seconds Out, would they be prog?
If the only Dream Theater albums were their live ones, would they be prog?
 
We seem to mainly focus on a band's studio albums, but what if a band never made one, yet was prolific in the release of live recordings?
 


I think that if a band only made live albums, and the production/performance/music was good, it would be awesome!


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I don't remember Atomic Rooster releasing a live album in their heyday.
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I think it can be the question about studio effects - are they so essential to music which we consider as prog rock or they are not? You can easily imagnine (and hear of course) King Crimson, Yes, ELP or even Marillion and Dream Theater playing live same stuff as on studio album. But then take,for the example, most known progressive Pink Floyd albums like Dark Side of the Moon or Whish You Were Here - they're very "produced" (which I mean very well produced) and sample tracks need to be used live to make it sound enjoyable.
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Originally posted by Larree Larree wrote:

Originally posted by pianoman pianoman wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


Like them?



We heard it now, so I guess it is.

Cool stuff!
Suggested and rejected some months ago, but I'm not sure to have chosen the right subgenre. Do you think they are prog at least? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Larree Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2013 at 15:10
Originally posted by pianoman pianoman wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


Like them?



We heard it now, so I guess it is.

Cool stuff!
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I wouldn't listen then, for the beauty of prog is perfectionism to me.
that's why I like glenn gould so much he was obsessed with studio recording.
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Hmmmm... Tony Kaye's Badger had a live debut release, "One Live Badger."  I didn't know of any followup, but they did release a studio work called "White Lady" after Tony left.  I've never heard that one.

"One Live Badger" was quite good, and it had an exquisite Roger Dean cover!  




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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

If a band is playing progressive music in the forest and there's no one there to hear them, are they still Prog?

Everyone understands I was being rather tongue in cheek here, I hope.
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


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We heard it now, so I guess it is.
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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

If a band is playing progressive music in the forest and there's no one there to hear them, are they still Prog?
 
BUT ... does it diminish what the work is ... for them?
 
Or does it raise it, for that matter!
 
And that's an issue ... minor one!
 
But the history of the arts is predicated on it BEING HEARD/BEING SEEN/BEING READ ... which kinda defeats your wording and statement!
 
So, if you just play for yourself in the garage and no one will hear it ... fine ... but if your son lets it out after you do, and we listen to it and go ... wow ... that's progressive ... that's a whole different other story, isn't it.
 
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Like them?


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Of course they still are.

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If a band is playing progressive music in the forest and there's no one there to hear them, are they still Prog?
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