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    Posted: April 22 2013 at 01:46
What if a band was very prog,undeniably and obviously prog in its sound and style and instrumentation and technique and all the rest of it, but with the exception that the band never makes a studio album, only live albums.  How important is the studio album in regarding this-or-that band as being prog? 
If the only Gentle Giant album was Playing The Fool,  or if the only Genesis album was Seconds Out, would they be prog?
If the only Dream Theater albums were their live ones, would they be prog?
 
We seem to mainly focus on a band's studio albums, but what if a band never made one, yet was prolific in the release of live recordings?
 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 02:02
Why should not releasing studio albums prevent a band from being considered prog? if the music they play is prog, it's a prog band (I am assuming that they play original material).
They do not need recording live albums either, many bands have started their careers playing live and only when they could afford it they released their first studio album.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neo-Romantic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 02:36
Yeah, albums are just tangible products containing the group/artist's creative efforts, not the creativity itself. Progressive status is one donned by groups/artists who set out to create music that pushes and extends musical boundaries to operates outside the narrow confines of superficiality. Whether or not they actually record anything doesn't have any bearing on the progressive nature or spirit itself. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zeqexes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 03:17
^ What these two have said.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 05:35
I don't see why not, Seconds Out contains Supper's Ready which is a prog song regardless of being studio or live.
 
Was there ever such a band?
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Anyone who grew up in Glasgow between 1974 and 1980 and frequented the live pub music circuit, would be familiar with Chou Pahrot, a fully fledged Prog band from Paisley who played a hybrid blend of Zappa, Beefheart, Modern Jazz, Crimson, Bartok and Stravinsky (they also sang their 'Sunday Post surrealist' lyrics in broad Glaswegian accents, contrary to the fashion of the day)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chou_Pahrot

Chou Pahrot's only full length release was a live album in 1979 (excellent)

This had been preceded by a now, much sought after EP Buzgo Tram Chorus (excellent)

Funny how they ain't on PACry (Reminds me to suggest them perchance)







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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 06:08
Originally posted by chopper

Was there ever such a band?
 
The band I play in has never made a studio album, although we have recorded live while in a studio (and with no post-production or overdubbing of any kind)
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 08:15
what do you mean by "regarding this-or-that band as being prog" ..?
 
We can play these games all day :
 
- can we regard a Yes tribute band as being Prog?
 
- would we consider a band that never recorded anything as being Prog?
 
If you are implying the "being Prog" is shorthand for "...for being added to the PA database" then I would say - probably not. We are not a database of and for unsigned bands even in an age of mp3 downloads and self-released albums.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 08:59
Originally posted by Stool Man

 
The band I play in has never made a studio album, although we have recorded live while in a studio (and with no post-production or overdubbing of any kind)
 
If what you meant was 'look, our band has not released any studio album (whether recording was 'live in the studio' or with edits it doesn't make any difference), but could it qualify to be listed in PA?' the answer is clear in the criteria for bands inclusion: the band needs to have 'signed status', i.e. some commercially available release. As far as I know it does not matter whether the release is 'studio' or 'live' or 'recorded live in studio'.
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Is this seriously a question?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Triceratopsoil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 10:41
see for reference Fractale
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Metalmarsh89 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 11:18
The Grateful Dead were never really known for their studio albums (not compared to the live stuff anyway). So if that's the sort of idea you had in mind, than sure, I see no reason why not.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MustardSea Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 13:24
Just look at My Brother The Wind - their "studio" albums are basically just live jams they recorded while playing in the studio.
Or take Badger, their first album was basically a live album recorded while opening for Yes.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 13:32
If Colosseum realeased only their live would have been added to the site? I guess yes.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 15:58
Originally posted by pianoman

Is this seriously a question?
Well, apparently, it is.
Originally posted by Gerinski

Why should not releasing studio albums prevent a band from being considered prog? if the music they play is prog, it's a prog band (I am assuming that they play original material).
They do not need recording live albums either, many bands have started their careers playing live and only when they could afford it they released their first studio album.
What this man said.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - April 22 2013 at 15:59
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Padraic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 16:27
Can a band be prog without playing any music at all?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote HolyMoly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 16:52
Originally posted by Padraic

Can a band be prog without playing any music at all?
I think a lot of them already are.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pianoman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 17:38
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by pianoman

Is this seriously a question?
Well, apparently, it is.
Originally posted by Gerinski

Why should not releasing studio albums prevent a band from being considered prog? if the music they play is prog, it's a prog band (I am assuming that they play original material).
They do not need recording live albums either, many bands have started their careers playing live and only when they could afford it they released their first studio album.
What this man said.


A band is progressive the moment they start playing progressive music. Whether they record it or not is COMPLETELY irrelevant. I've seen some silly posts on PA, but this takes the cake.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 17:40
^ Bear in mind that there must be a myriad of posts noting the difference between "prog" (as in the thread title) and "progressive" (as in your reference). Takes the cake now?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pianoman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2013 at 17:43
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ Bear in mind that there must be a myriad of posts noting the difference between "prog" (as in the thread title) and "progressive" (as in your reference). Takes the cake now?



It still doesn't matter though. If a "prog" band makes "prog" music, then it still doesn't matter whether they have a studio record or not. It's like saying King Crimson wasn't a prog band before ITCOTCK, even though they still played plenty of live shows.
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