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Could be the same for any genre. The genre is irrelevant.
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Its all good! Haha
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I don't see why they can't be ?
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Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

What if a band was very prog,undeniably and obviously prog in its sound and style and instrumentation and technique and all the rest of it, but with the exception that the band never makes a studio album, only live albums.  How important is the studio album in regarding this-or-that band as being prog? 
If the only Gentle Giant album was Playing The Fool,  or if the only Genesis album was Seconds Out, would they be prog?
If the only Dream Theater albums were their live ones, would they be prog?
 
We seem to mainly focus on a band's studio albums, but what if a band never made one, yet was prolific in the release of live recordings?
 
 
Bizarre question ... !!!
 
You don't need a studio anymore ... there isn't a DAW out there that can't even Master your own work!
 
Strange to even hear that question ... like people can not have a musical ability that Mozart had a few years back, or that the Beatles had 50 years ago! Or the ability to manipulate a DAW, and do work far more progressive, interesting and experimental than anything we have ever heard or seen!
 
One note, though ... it could be said, and stated in the definition of "progressive" that the requirement might be the human element, with 2 or more folks playing together ... so when you hear Gary Green tell you that ... we just played and that it was improvised ... you don't go freaking out because you have no idea where to start that ... but the harmony quota would be even easier and crazier adn more fun to put together in a DAW, I bet! And this might be where, a lot of modern players, have not yet gotten to go crazy and have fun with the tools that they are working on.


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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:


Anyone who grew up in Glasgow between 1974 and 1980 and frequented the live pub music circuit, would be familiar with Chou Pahrot, a fully fledged Prog band from Paisley who played a hybrid blend of Zappa, Beefheart, Modern Jazz, Crimson, Bartok and Stravinsky (they also sang their 'Sunday Post surrealist' lyrics in broad Glaswegian accents, contrary to the fashion of the day)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chou_PahrotChou Pahrot's only full length release was a live album in 1979 (excellent)This had been preceded by a now, much sought after EP Buzgo Tram Chorus (excellent)Funny how they ain't on PACry (Reminds me to suggest them perchance)


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

... like people can not have a musical ability that Mozart had a few years back
There you go , Mozart made no studio albums + Mozart is not Prog. = You can not be Prog. unless you make a studio album.
Simple as that Approve  


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2013 at 06:39
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

... like people can not have a musical ability that Mozart had a few years back
There you go , Mozart made no studio albums + Mozart is not Prog. = You can not be Prog. unless you make a studio album.
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There's a flaw in that logic.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tamijo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2013 at 11:59
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

... like people can not have a musical ability that Mozart had a few years back
There you go , Mozart made no studio albums + Mozart is not Prog. = You can not be Prog. unless you make a studio album.
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There's a flaw in that logic.
Absolutely, the flaw lies in the question
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progbethyname Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2013 at 12:23
Originally posted by pianoman pianoman wrote:

Is this seriously a question?


Haha yes!! What the f**k is everyone going on about here? Prog is prog weather you hear it live or from a studio recording. You don't have to have the tangibles to back it up like studio album cd's. Also if the live album is good enough like the aforementioned SECONDS OUT, it's still prog baby!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2013 at 12:38
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by pianoman pianoman wrote:

Is this seriously a question?


Haha yes!! What the f**k is everyone going on about here? Prog is prog weather you hear it live or from a studio recording. You don't have to have the tangibles to back it up like studio album cd's. Also if the live album is good enough like the aforementioned SECONDS OUT, it's still prog baby!!
I suspect Stewart (the OP) is wondering why, after 5 years of asking, A Band is not listed in the PA.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2013 at 17:55
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

... like people can not have a musical ability that Mozart had a few years back
There you go , Mozart made no studio albums + Mozart is not Prog. = You can not be Prog. unless you make a studio album.
Simple as that Approve  
There's a flaw in that logic.
Absolutely, the flaw lies in the question
 
Yeah, but you did not see that I made a comparative statement that you took off on your own tangent and immediately transposed Mozart to today's time, when that is NOT what I did! So, your coment ... is quite un-necessary and wrong ... again, based on what you said, eeveryone is too stupid to be able to create anything Prog ... or even come close to make a studio album!
 
You could not possibly see that I think that many of the folks in the area or "progressive" are far better composers of music than Mozart ever was! Of course not, you treat all these prog folks as idiots, from your comment! Tongue ... ohh wait ... you wouldn't know about A=B and B=C and this C equals A thing ... that's just not smart logic for your reading! Wink


Edited by moshkito - April 28 2013 at 17:58
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Maybe the question should be can a band be prog if they do not have the money or gear to record their music and no label wants to sign them because they are not (potentially) commercial enough?  Cool
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Originally posted by Larree Larree wrote:

Maybe the question should be can a band be prog if they do not have the money or gear to record their music and no label wants to sign them because they are not (potentially) commercial enough?  Cool
 
As Dean said ...
 
YES
 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by pianoman pianoman wrote:

Is this seriously a question?


Haha yes!! What the f**k is everyone going on about here? Prog is prog weather you hear it live or from a studio recording. You don't have to have the tangibles to back it up like studio album cd's. Also if the live album is good enough like the aforementioned SECONDS OUT, it's still prog baby!!
I suspect Stewart (the OP) is wondering why, after 5 years of asking, A Band is not listed in the PA.
We were added a year ago, it only took four years of asking Big smile
 
 
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If a band is playing progressive music in the forest and there's no one there to hear them, are they still Prog?
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Of course they still are.

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Like them?


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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

If a band is playing progressive music in the forest and there's no one there to hear them, are they still Prog?
 
BUT ... does it diminish what the work is ... for them?
 
Or does it raise it, for that matter!
 
And that's an issue ... minor one!
 
But the history of the arts is predicated on it BEING HEARD/BEING SEEN/BEING READ ... which kinda defeats your wording and statement!
 
So, if you just play for yourself in the garage and no one will hear it ... fine ... but if your son lets it out after you do, and we listen to it and go ... wow ... that's progressive ... that's a whole different other story, isn't it.
 
Let's all do the timewarp now!
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