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    Posted: April 30 2013 at 03:49
Rush as the fathers of Prog Metal?  I consider Black Sabbath were moreso.  What do you think?
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Other: Thin Lizzy.
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Black Sabbath were the father of everything that anyone is hearing today in rock, metal music.

If for prog metal, I don't think Rush  or BS, more like Fates Warning to me.
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Other: Thin Lizzy.


Uh....No!

This is for Stool Man. I don't  think Sabbath ever made any concepts, incorporated keyboard sounds that harken back to other Prog bands, just sayin!Ermm

As much as I love Sabbath they never reached the level of musicianship of Rush


Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - April 30 2013 at 05:05
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Other: Thin Lizzy.


Uh....No!

This is for Stool Man. I don't  think Sabbath ever made any concepts, incorporated keyboard sounds that harken back to other Prog bands, just sayin!Ermm

As much as I love Sabbath they never reached the level of musicianship of Rush
 
Since their first album was recorded just after the release of KC's debut, there weren't any other prog bands for them to harken back to.  Just sayin! Wink
 
And who said anything about reaching this-or-that level of musicianship?  Sabbath had made all of their best albums before Rush made any albums at all, they weren't aiming to outdo them or anyone else.
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Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Other: Thin Lizzy.


Uh....No!

This is for Stool Man. I don't  think Sabbath ever made any concepts, incorporated keyboard sounds that harken back to other Prog bands, just sayin!Ermm

As much as I love Sabbath they never reached the level of musicianship of Rush
 
Since their first album was recorded just after the release of KC's debut, there weren't any other prog bands for them to harken back to.  Just sayin! Wink
 
And who said anything about reaching this-or-that level of musicianship?  Sabbath had made all of their best albums before Rush made any albums at all, they weren't aiming to outdo them or anyone else.


But Sabbath was hardly Prog, I agree that they have elements but that doesn't make them Prog. Sabbath were fathers of Metal. Prog, I'm not  so sure about that. Tell me who do Progressive Metal bands look to as an influence(Symphony X, Dream Theater, Iron Maiden(debatable), Meshuggah, Mastodon). The influence is undeniable, come on! Wink


Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - April 30 2013 at 05:43
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Other: Thin Lizzy.


Uh....No!

This is for Stool Man. I don't  think Sabbath ever made any concepts, incorporated keyboard sounds that harken back to other Prog bands, just sayin!Ermm

As much as I love Sabbath they never reached the level of musicianship of Rush
 
Since their first album was recorded just after the release of KC's debut, there weren't any other prog bands for them to harken back to.  Just sayin! Wink
 
And who said anything about reaching this-or-that level of musicianship?  Sabbath had made all of their best albums before Rush made any albums at all, they weren't aiming to outdo them or anyone else.


But Sabbath was hardly Prog, I agree that they have elements but that doesn't make them Prog. Sabbath were fathers of Metal. Prog, I'm not  so sure about that. Tell me who do Progressive Metal bands look to as an influence(Symphony X, Dream Theater, Iron Maiden(debatable), Meshuggah, Mastodon, King's X). The influence is undeniable, come on! Wink
 
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  • Deep Purple
  • Black Sabbath
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  • Black Sabbath's page is currently the 2nd most viewed on this website in the last 24 hours.  Not Prog?

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    ^They have a new album coming out, that's hardly a surprise.

    Black Sabbath have an undeniable influence on all metal pretty much, Rush have a very strong influence over vanilla prog metal but little over bands in Exp/Post and Tech/Extreme.
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    Sabbath & Zepplin & Purple was the fathers of Heavy/Metal, King Crimson (and to some degree Yes) was the father(s) of Heavy-Prog.
    They had a child (in a strange 4 way marriage) called Prog Metal
     
    Ruch was the unknown cusin of Sabbath/Zep/Purple, he later grew up to become a bigger (hard) rock band, and made  some very important heavy prog albums, before the 80's dead arrow got him, but thats another story.


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    One could also consider Queen with their 2 first albums.

    Sabbath, fathers of Heavy Metal I could more or less agree, but of Prog-Metal, no.
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    High Tide's Sea Shanties anyone? Pretty close methinks, but when we are talking about fathering a style of music, I believe it has to be a band that put out a series of albums, almost like a sonic blueprint of what was to come, and Black Sabbath did just that - and more.
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    Other. Ironing Maiden.
     
    None of the other suggestions thus far are Metal.
     
     
    However, wait for someone to suggest: Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly, Steppenwolf, Atomic Rooster, Grand Funk Railroad, The Kinks, King Crimson, Budgie, Scorpions, Judas Priest, Uriah Heep... Sleepy


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    Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

    One could also consider Queen with their 2 first albums.
    Sabbath, fathers of Heavy Metal I could more or less agree, but of Prog-Metal, no.



    Your post just made me realise, that my brain interpreted prog metal as heavy metal......(I got up at 6 this morning, so that may have something to do with it)

    I tend to agree with Dean about Maiden. A lot of what they brought to the table is still being used - vigorously!
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    Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

    Other. Ironing Maiden.
     
    None of the other suggestions thus far are Metal.
     
     
    However, wait for someone to suggest:, , Atomic Rooster, Grand Funk Railroad, The Kinks, King Crimson, Budgie, Scorpions, Judas Priest, Uriah Heep... Sleepy


    LOL

     Iron Butterfly: Psychedlic and Heavy Metal but not considered  Prog

    Blue Cheer:Hard Rock nothing more

    Steppenwolf: Stern Smile

    Atomic Rooster: But are they Metal???

    Grand Funk Railroad: Hard Rock and Blues Rock

    The Kinks: Stern Smile

    Ahh, this next one is interesting:

    King Crimson: Sure they had heavy material but were they angry enough, any concepts?? Ermm

    Budgie: Stern Smile Metal but not "Proggy" enough

    Scorpions:Stern Smile

    Judas Priest: Good one there but Caress of Steel and Fly by Night came out before Sad Wings Wink

    Uriah Heep:LOL Heavy Prog as they are labeled here on PA




    Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - April 30 2013 at 07:13
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    Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

    Other. Ironing Maiden.
     
    None of the other suggestions thus far are Metal.
     
     
    However, wait for someone to suggest: Blue Cheer, Iron Butterfly, Steppenwolf, Atomic Rooster, Grand Funk Railroad, The Kinks, King Crimson, Budgie, Scorpions, Judas Priest, Uriah Heep... Sleepy


    Actually, I could buy the Uriah Heep option, but not as much as Deep Purple or, let's say, Vanilla Fudge and Iron Butterfly.

    To be a more serious tone, I would also consider the possible influence of some thrash-metal bands on the prog-metal genre (of course, Metallica and Megadeth rather than Slayer or Anthrax).
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    Well, that slice of British sarcasm fell on tone-deaf ears. LOL


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    Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:


    As much as I love Sabbath they never reached the level of musicianship of Rush


    Indeed, in regard of musicianship, the Sabs were waaaaay above Rush.

    At least, the Brummies had good songs... (Yu mad?)
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