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Dean 
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 Topic: The fathers of Prog Metal
Posted: December 13 2015 at 04:22 |
 Cristi wrote:
I've never thought it's a growl.
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that's because it isn't
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Cristi
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Posted: December 13 2015 at 04:04 |
I've never thought it's a growl.
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Posted: December 13 2015 at 03:55 |
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com
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Posted: December 13 2015 at 03:01 |
octopus-4 wrote:
The Who were one of the first bands to growl in a song, too. |
really? what song was that? I listened to most of their stuff, don't remember growling 
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Posted: April 30 2014 at 12:25 |
Hey, aren't UFO the godfathers of Iron Maiden? 
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Dean
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Posted: April 30 2014 at 12:11 |
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Aye, but people like to present their own theories.
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 30 2014 at 11:40 |
I thought it was already decided pages ago it was Iron Maiden..?
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Dean
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Posted: April 30 2014 at 10:30 |
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Purple, Sabbath and (maybe) Heep (but prolly not UFO) may have been the fathers (progenitors) of Metal, but claiming they were also the fathers of Prog Metal is stretching things a lot, there is an entire generation of Metal between them and Prog Metal.
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: April 30 2014 at 09:14 |
Yeah, they're alive and kicking!!! 
Uriah Heep is one of the most favourite bands of mine hands down!!!
UFO, despite having debuted in 1970, gained their typical sound in '74 when Schenker joined the band.
I think that UFO's STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT is the seminal album for bands as Iron Maiden.
So, UFO are a bit younger than Purple, Sabbath, Heppe et cetera, know what I mean.
Edited by Andrea Cortese - April 30 2014 at 09:17
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Posted: April 30 2014 at 09:05 |
Andrea Cortese wrote:
I'm afraid that Sabbath, Purple, Heep and Zep are the Grandfathers of prog-metal.
Parents should be a bit younger, shouldn't they? |
They were then... shall we say, pro-genitors. Where it all began. Three of those bands are still in action.
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Posted: April 30 2014 at 08:30 |
I'm afraid that Sabbath, Purple, Heep and Zep are the Grandfathers of prog-metal.
Parents should be a bit younger, shouldn't they? |
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Posted: April 30 2014 at 07:34 |
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Father of prog metal? Sabbath, Heep and Purple. Other bands mentioned made contributions but te most cited influences are usually the above. Irons maiden and Priest etc had their impact by taking the blues out of metal, but this is more cousin-ish. The daddies are the 3 above.
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Posted: April 29 2014 at 16:39 |
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I recall a buddy of mine having Mechanix back in the early 80's,but i never borrowed it to record onto a cassette tape.I think back then i so into Black Sabbath,BOC & Deep Purple that giving UFO a listen would have been just too impossible lol.But i'm open to give just about anything a listen now.
Edited by Kentucky_Hawkwindage - April 29 2014 at 16:40
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"Nobody's Gonna Change My World That's Something To Unreal" Lyrics that i live my life by-from Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy's track You Won't Change Me
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Posted: April 29 2014 at 16:26 |
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I have all their output from the debut to Misdemeanor plus Covenant and Sharks from the Schenker reunion years.
The Chapman era (1980 - 1983) is wonderful too even if he's no Micheal Schenker).
A terrific band to discover!
Music is always energetic, dynamic and melodic and the album Obsession from 1978 even features medieval tune and strong symphonic arrengements (as in Looking Out for N. 1).
And Pete Way is a great bassist.
another interesting (of the many) proggy number is The Writer from their Mechanix album (1982).
Edited by Andrea Cortese - April 29 2014 at 16:27
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Posted: April 29 2014 at 16:16 |
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Of course i voted Black Sabbath. Speaking of UFO i have only 1 UFO LP in my entire LP collection,that being as might be guessed is Lights Out.I think the track Electric Phase is my favorite song on the album.I can handle UFO,but so far haven't purchased any other UFO Albums yet.
Edited by Kentucky_Hawkwindage - April 29 2014 at 16:17
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"Nobody's Gonna Change My World That's Something To Unreal" Lyrics that i live my life by-from Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy's track You Won't Change Me
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Posted: April 29 2014 at 14:40 |
rogerthat wrote:
Sabbath is a bit confusing. They became 'just' metal (rather than early/proto-metal) once Dio joined as the frontman. They tried to go back to their 70s sound with Gillian but thereafter, the Tony Martin albums again stuck to 80s metal. Sabbath, JP, Scorpions actually became heavier in the 80s (JP were already metal and just crossed over even more to the speed metal side of things) while DP and Rainbow mellowed down a bit. I don't know much about UFO post Michael Schenker but I guess they too fell over to the hard rock side in the 80s rather than the proto metal of Lights Out? Another thing about Sabbath is the 70s albums, especially Sabbath Bloody Sabbath/Sabotage were more prog-related while the full on metal albums of the 80s were much more straight up. I tend to agree with Dean that Dio-Sabbath influenced power metal rather than prog metal. |
I think you should listen to When it's Time to Rock from UFO's Making Contact album (1983). UFO had huge influence on metal development
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Posted: April 15 2014 at 19:57 |
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It's probably been stated essentially thus already in this thread, but Sabbath are not the fathers of "prog metal". They were a 70's heavy metal band with a slight tendency toward expansive composition, which inherently involves a degree of progressive rock influence. Early heavy metal very often (probably the majority of the time, in fact) contained a slight degree of prog influence, but this is different from actual "prog metal" as was later defined by Fates Warning and Dream Theater. Those later bands are a more complete fusion of the fully developed (post-trash) metal and progressive rock.
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Posted: April 14 2014 at 01:52 |
dr wu23 wrote:
From the PA page on progressive metal:
"The Origins:
The heavy sound of some of the progressive rock bands of the 70's has been one of the building blocks on which progressive metal was raised. Progressive rock pioneers such as KING CRIMSON and RUSH have often been acclaimed as the main influences of progressive metal bands. The other major influence has been the NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) movement, and especially the twin-guitar arrangements of IRON MAIDEN, which have left their stamp on the early stages of the genre's development."
Interestingly here on PA..... Zep, Sabbath, Queen, etc are listed as Prog related , Rush and Heep as heavy prog, and Deep Purple and The Who as proto prog.
Of the 2 I listed there only Heep and Rush ever seemed like 'progressive rock' to me though at times deep Purple had a proggy track now and then.
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When I was attended as a 14 yrs old kid at the Uriah Heep concert in Belgrade's "Pionir" arena 1977 (btw that gig was the last one of their world tour), I wasn't knew that I attend at "heavy prog" concert - the band was actually one of the biggest hard rock attractions of that era 
Edited by Svetonio - April 14 2014 at 01:56
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Posted: April 13 2014 at 19:23 |
From the PA page on progressive metal:
"The Origins:
The heavy sound of some of the progressive rock bands of the 70's has been one of the building blocks on which progressive metal was raised. Progressive rock pioneers such as KING CRIMSON and RUSH have often been acclaimed as the main influences of progressive metal bands. The other major influence has been the NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) movement, and especially the twin-guitar arrangements of IRON MAIDEN, which have left their stamp on the early stages of the genre's development."
Interestingly here on PA..... Zep, Sabbath, Queen, etc are listed as Prog related , Rush and Heep as heavy prog, and Deep Purple and The Who as proto prog.
Of the 2 I listed there only Heep and Rush ever seemed like 'progressive rock' to me though at times deep Purple had a proggy track now and then.
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Posted: April 13 2014 at 08:37 |
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Deep Purple, but before them was Led Zeppelin - had to be a huge influence on prog metal.
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