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    Posted: May 03 2013 at 03:06
Are there no Prog singer-songwriters?
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The correct answer is sometimes.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote javier0889 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2013 at 18:33
David Bowie is still more "risky" than the average prog songwriter. Length of the song matters not.
But I must agree - he's his own kind of entity, not just "prog" or even "a musical act".  
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David Bowie, like Ian Anderson, Frank Zappa or Peter Gabriel, was only 'prog' when he wanted to be. At other times they were each something else altogether. The term prog to is often too confining.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Argonaught Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2013 at 21:01
For most intents and purposes, David Bowie is a person, and not a catch-all musical genre. As for the genre he is most known for, it's called art-rock. 

That said, a portion of his stuff could be classified as prog. Same applies to just about any other rock band of the time who achieved above-average competence and fancied veering off of the beaten 4-chord, 4/4 path. 


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Originally posted by Stool Man

Are there no Prog singer-songwriters?


Ian Anderson, Jon Anderson, Kate Bush, Tori Amos, Bjork, a few I could think of.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ole-the-first Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2013 at 03:38
Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by Stool Man

Are there no Prog singer-songwriters?


Ian Anderson, Jon Anderson, Kate Bush, Tori Amos, Bjork, a few I could think of.

Well, that quote is more than a reason to revisit what prog is about.

I don't think that Kate Bush is very PROG. She's art rock. Just like Bowie, but Bowie had more experimental stuff like 'Low'. And then, what is art rock? I personally always thought that it's subgenre and even sometimes alias for prog, art rock can be used to describe something more simple, more poppish, but _still_ with prominent sophistication/prog leanings.

I don't believe that Bjork fans really think that she is prog — but on that site she, Nine Inch Nails, Lacrimosa and many bands no-one ever described as progressive are counted in prog categories. Whilst many others, who always were a part of art rock movement, are listed in Prog-Related section, and that simply bugging me.

I know this is old theme for discussion, but this site really demands re-categorisation
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Post Options Post Options   Quote King Crimson776 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2013 at 03:51
Originally posted by Stool Man

Are there no Prog singer-songwriters?

Peter Hammill and Kevin Gilbert (but not always). But for example, Peter Gabriel is art rock.

David Bowie is not prog. Maybe you could argue the title track of Station to Station? I don't remember it too well.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2013 at 03:53
I cannot comment on whether Bowie belongs here because I haven't listened to his albums, only a few songs.    I don't think Kate Bush and Bjork are out and out prog but they (esp Bjork) have one or two albums that are prog.   I am less sure of where Tori Amos fits in.  Maybe her later work has stuff that fits in because I don't hear prog on Little Earthquakes or Under the Pink.   She's probably less prog than Elton John.  I have said it once before that the standards are too high for 70s artists.  It was more routine for them to make long tracks and even with lots of changes so it gets discounted vis a vis a 90s artist attempting the same thing.  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2013 at 03:55
Originally posted by King Crimson776

Originally posted by Stool Man

Are there no Prog singer-songwriters?

Peter Hammill and Kevin Gilbert (but not always). But for example, Peter Gabriel is art rock.

David Bowie is not prog. Maybe you could argue the title track of Station to Station? I don't remember it too well.


Damn, missed two of the most obvious names!  Ouch
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf

David Bowie, like Ian Anderson, Frank Zappa or Peter Gabriel, was only 'prog' when he wanted to be. At other times they were each something else altogether. The term prog to is often too confining.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jude111 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2013 at 23:20

How about "art rock" as a subgenre? That's a category that I could see being included here on Prog Archives, and would open up interesting possibilities... Roxy Music, Pere Ubu, Bowie, maybe Velvet Underground (hey, with Warhol at the helm, how could it *not* be art rock? :-)

It could be considered a 'not-quite-prog" category, like proto-prog and prog-related.


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It used to be, then it was changed (I think)
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Artistic pop at its best, not Progressive Rock at all.








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Confused I don't see the relevance of posting three hit singles. That's not unlike posting video's of "Tonight Tonight Tonight", "No Son Of Mine" and "I Can't Dance" and stating that Genesis are artistic pop at its best, not Progressive Rock at all.



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Who cares.....seriously. His music matters and good to have him here on PA
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Svetonio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2013 at 05:32
Originally posted by Dean

Confused I don't see the relevance of posting three hit singles. That's not unlike posting video's of "Tonight Tonight Tonight", "No Son Of Mine" and "I Can't Dance" and stating that Genesis are artistic pop at its best, not Progressive Rock at all.

Actually, I posted this three hits because I knew that someone would comment on it in a way like you just did.
Of course, Genesis were recording a number of pop hits, not even so much artistic and elegant as Mr Bowie did but there is hell of reason why Genesis will forever be linked to Progressive Rock. 
Mr Bowie will generally always be tied to his magnificient pop hits, not to Progressive Rock.
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Originally posted by Svetonio


Originally posted by Dean



Confused I don't see the relevance of posting three hit singles. That's not unlike posting video's of "Tonight Tonight Tonight", "No Son Of Mine" and "I Can't Dance" and stating that Genesis are artistic pop at its best, not Progressive Rock at all.
Actually, I posted this three hits because I knew that someone would comment on it in a way like you just did


Aha! You fell right into his trap.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Svetonio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2013 at 07:05
Originally posted by Jim Garten

Originally posted by Svetonio


Originally posted by Dean



Confused I don't see the relevance of posting three hit singles. That's not unlike posting video's of "Tonight Tonight Tonight", "No Son Of Mine" and "I Can't Dance" and stating that Genesis are artistic pop at its best, not Progressive Rock at all.
Actually, I posted this three hits because I knew that someone would comment on it in a way like you just did


Aha! You fell right into his trap.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2013 at 07:15
We have had this discussion before, and I believe also a thread that demanded proof of "prog" in Bowie's material.
The fact of the matter is, that no matter which way one wishes to approach him from, be that the glam rock, art pop - hell even disco; you simply cannot deny his fingerprint on a truckload of future experimental artists. He made albums with everything from krautrock, ambient, avant-garde, rag time, funk you name em - plus a string of albums done in Berlin that truly defied every boundary conceived by fans and critics alike.

He was never prog, but he is perhaps one if the most 'progressive' artists ever to have thrived in the mainstream spotlight. I think he is as essential to the prog related sub here on PA, as King Crimson is to the rest of the site.
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