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    Posted: May 02 2013 at 03:56
Originally posted by King Crimson776

Progressive music actually does have something to do with actual innovation.

  Agreed; and as long as what is not progressive is still clear and relevant - folk, pop, rock 'n roll, jazz, etc. - that which is progressive still has purpose.

 
It's easier to be original playing prog than any other popular music style (to me this is the most intuitively obvious thing in the world, but some have a hard time with it).

   Though true, I think part of the challenge in doing non-progressive music is not having the avenues and liberties that are available to the progressive approach --  it's the very restrictions that give certain composing styles a direction and discipline.   In that way, prog may actually be easier than distilling an idea or feeling into its purest and most direct form.
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Originally posted by King Crimson776

Progressive music actually does have something to do with actual innovation. Fusing rock with the broader composition of classical represents the farthest that rock can be taken, and the greatest amount of possibilities/variations in the style. It's easier to be original playing prog than any other popular music style (to me this is the most intuitively obvious thing in the world, but some have a hard time with it).

While Progressive music of course does have a lot to do with progression and innovation, I don't think that the actual piece of music has to progress or be innovative to be Prog, because then there's the argument of where you draw the line on what's innovation and what's not.
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Christian Vander did the most intelligent thing by inventing a new word to define his music. Why don't we do the same? Instead of "progressive" let's call it "Maendisila". (I have composed this work taking the first half from the Swahili and the second half from the Malesian words for progressive. Wink 

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Progress does not mean innovation. It simply means moving forward. The two are not synonymous or mutually inclusive.


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Originally posted by octopus-4

Christian Vander did the most intelligent thing by inventing a new word to define his music. Why don't we do the same? Instead of "progressive" let's call it "Maendisila". (I have composed this work taking the first half from the Swahili and the second half from the Malesian words for progressive. Wink 

A word without a meaning can be the solution.
Then there would be arguments about whether band A was neo-Maendisila or crossover-Maendisila.
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Originally posted by Lord_Adon

Well I am new to the forum, and was not aware that people bring this up. Was just looking for some thread points LOL


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Originally posted by Blacksword

Originally posted by Lord_Adon

Well I am new to the forum, and was not aware that people bring this up. Was just looking for some thread points LOL


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Originally posted by chopper

Originally posted by octopus-4

Christian Vander did the most intelligent thing by inventing a new word to define his music. Why don't we do the same? Instead of "progressive" let's call it "Maendisila". (I have composed this work taking the first half from the Swahili and the second half from the Malesian words for progressive.Wink

A word without a meaning can be the solution.


Then there would be arguments about whether band A was neo-Maendisila or crossover-Maendisila.

We're neither, we're Indo-Raga-Maendisila (on ice)
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Originally posted by King Crimson776

Progressive music actually does have something to do with actual innovation. Fusing rock with the broader composition of classical represents the farthest that rock can be taken, and the greatest amount of possibilities/variations in the style. It's easier to be original playing prog than any other popular music style (to me this is the most intuitively obvious thing in the world, but some have a hard time with it).


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Post Options Post Options   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2013 at 07:59
Originally posted by Stool Man

Originally posted by chopper

Originally posted by octopus-4

Christian Vander did the most intelligent thing by inventing a new word to define his music. Why don't we do the same? Instead of "progressive" let's call it "Maendisila". (I have composed this work taking the first half from the Swahili and the second half from the Malesian words for progressive. Wink 

A word without a meaning can be the solution.


Then there would be arguments about whether band A was neo-Maendisila or crossover-Maendisila.

We're neither, we're Indo-Raga-Maendisila (on ice)

I don't think that theremins fit into the Indo-Raga-Maendisila subgenre. Geek
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Post Options Post Options   Quote aapatsos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2013 at 08:27
I think the OP confuses "exciting" as an adjective with "Progressive" as a genre/movement

...or what Dean explained already Wink
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I'm reading a bit in a book by one of the folks who think they know a bit more than the ordinary about prog rock these days, and a band mentioned as having a part in the development of the genre is Rolling Stones. Without ever described as progressive per se I'll hastily add.

I think it would be helpful in debates such as this to compare progressive with mainstream rather than comparing progressive with progressive. If you want to look at the difference between apples and pears, actually looking at apples and pears is so much better than than looking at apples trying to see if some of them look more like pears.
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Originally posted by Windhawk

I'm reading a bit in a book by one of the folks who think they know a bit more than the ordinary about prog rock these days, and a band mentioned as having a part in the development of the genre is Rolling Stones. Without ever described as progressive per se I'll hastily add.

I think it would be helpful in debates such as this to compare progressive with mainstream rather than comparing progressive with progressive. If you want to look at the difference between apples and pears, actually looking at apples and pears is so much better than than looking at apples trying to see if some of them look more like pears.
On"Pigs Might Fly" which is about the Pink Floyd's history Rolling Stones are barely mentioned and never as influencers, neither for the psych-blues of the Floyd's very beginnings. In terms of psychedelia the Beatles have been more important as influencers than the Stones. I don't see any relationship between Strones and prog. The closest thing they have done is I think 20000 Light Year From Home, really too few 
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Originally posted by octopus-4

Originally posted by Windhawk

I'm reading a bit in a book by one of the folks who think they know a bit more than the ordinary about prog rock these days, and a band mentioned as having a part in the development of the genre is Rolling Stones. Without ever described as progressive per se I'll hastily add.

I think it would be helpful in debates such as this to compare progressive with mainstream rather than comparing progressive with progressive. If you want to look at the difference between apples and pears, actually looking at apples and pears is so much better than than looking at apples trying to see if some of them look more like pears.
On"Pigs Might Fly" which is about the Pink Floyd's history Rolling Stones are barely mentioned and never as influencers, neither for the psych-blues of the Floyd's very beginnings. In terms of psychedelia the Beatles have been more important as influencers than the Stones. I don't see any relationship between Strones and prog. The closest thing they have done is I think 20000 Light Year From Home, really too few 

Quoted from somewhere else. Without implying that this an opinion I share, but a factoid I've come across in other places as well.

"Even established bands of the time began to experiment with the rock sound, such as the Moody Blues, who recorded their Days of Futures Past album with conductor Peter Knight and the London Symphony Orchestra. Even the Rolling Stones also got into the act (and divided their fan and critical base in the process) with the psychedelic Their Satanic Majesties Request."
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Ermm At this juncture someone usualy enters the room carrying a dog-eard copy of Pet Sounds under their arm...

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Originally posted by Blacksword

Originally posted by Lord_Adon

Well I am new to the forum, and was not aware that people bring this up. Was just looking for some thread points LOL


Welcome

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Well that's no fun. How in the world do we pick the brains of the dinosaurs and the experts here without creating controversial threads topics?

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Originally posted by chopper

Originally posted by Blacksword

Originally posted by Lord_Adon

Well I am new to the forum, and was not aware that people bring this up. Was just looking for some thread points LOL
Welcome Just be aware that everything you'll ever want to discuss, has been discussed before ad nauseum on these forums, so please just start 'fun' threads and 'What is your favourite pie' polls, and you'll get on with everyone just fine..

LOL

I must start a pie thread.


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