2013, the rebirth of Neoprog? |
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Prog-jester
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Posted: May 05 2013 at 16:04 | |||
check "Gaza" from their recent album, when you have 17 spare minutes of your time |
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Prog-jester
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Posted: May 05 2013 at 16:13 | |||
just glanced at Neo-Prog's 2012 Top, same old, same old (with BAROCK PROJECT being hardly Neo-Prog musically). But there are some lovely NEW bands out there, which are carrying the genre's torch like ALSO EDEN. Any recommendations of that kind?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 05 2013 at 16:31 | |||
I heard it. It's well crafted POP IMO
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infocat
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Posted: May 05 2013 at 19:29 | |||
I'm listening to Comedy Of Errors (Fanfare And Fantasy) for the first time right now. I would say it's some quite tasty neo-prog stuff! Somewhat reminiscent of 90s Pendragon, if I had to put a label on it.
As for Marillion since Seasons End, Crossover for sure... |
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lazland
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 03:11 | |||
I hate to break our cycle of agreement Ivan, but you are, I think, very wrong about Marillion. They remain, to me, one of the finest progressive bands in the world.
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 03:44 | |||
I'm with Ivan since after having bought Afraid Of Sunlight.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 14:46 | |||
Ambient-rock is not prog. Even when it gets all cathartic.
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zumacraig
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 18:39 | |||
I really wish I could get into neoprog. i've tried with IQ and Marillion and i feel like i'm really missing out, but it just does nothing for me. Is there an aspect i should focus on to get into? i like the keys and guitar to some extent and the 80s sound on those early albums really isn't that bad. advice?
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King Crimson776
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 19:01 | |||
IQ got better later on. "Dark Matter" is the ultimate, but "Ever" is also very good.
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Prog-jester
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Posted: May 07 2013 at 00:45 | |||
I think you should concentrate on those times more. Neo-Prog is a very 80s movement, from "Forgotten Sons" signature lyrics to these cheesy keyboard tones. I tend to see it in that very vein, on par with THE CURE, THE SMITHS and TEARS FOR FEARS, if you ask me. The only thing different was the influences, post-punkers liked Bowie and THE CLASH, neo-proggers liked Hammil and GENESIS, and everybody loved PINK FLOYD So the key to get into that particular Prog genre is to think outside the "prog" box, I guess |
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richardh
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Posted: May 07 2013 at 15:24 | |||
they got more professional but not necessarily 'better'. I still believe Tales From The Lush Attic and The Wake to be the equal of Frequency and Dark Matter. The earlier albums are more inspired but lack on production values. Frequency is the most polished album I've heard from anyone in a very long time except maybe Martin Orford's The Old Road.
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Roland113
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Posted: May 07 2013 at 15:37 | |||
Neo-prog to me, simply put, symphonic prog in structure but without being rooted in 1970's technology / lyrical concepts. The three 'classic' Neo bands, IQ, Marillion and Pendagon have evolved their sound over the years to match technology. The twelve strings have been replaced by distorted heavily effected sweeping guitars, the Mellotrons and organs have been replaced by modern keyboard technology. Gone are the sweeping tales of elves and mythical creatures replaced by modern gritty tales of love or urban noir. You can watch the progression of those three bands as their careers evolved, stylistically the music is somewhat similar (Marillion being the exception) but the sound is totally different and has progressed over the years. The Neo classic bands have evolved and with it, so has the genre. Yes, I have no problem what so ever including a brand new band in the Neo genre if it fits what the genre has evolved to.
Yeah, when it was initially labeled, it was a few bands but as those pioneers evolved, so did the definition of the genre.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: May 07 2013 at 19:54 | |||
I maybe agree on Tales from the Lush Attic. It's a lovely album. The Wake sounds well... not quite as lush! It seems a bit sparse to me now, anyway, as I recall.
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zumacraig
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Posted: May 07 2013 at 23:01 | |||
Progjester-thanks for the input.
Roland-excellent, excellent explanation of neoprog. it all makes sense now.
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richardh
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Posted: May 08 2013 at 14:28 | |||
its meant to be although I reckon IQ never bettered Widows Peak and The Magic Roundabout for sheer raw emotional power
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richardh
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Posted: May 08 2013 at 14:34 | |||
The neo prog bands always used gritty emotional themes. The lyrics were a lot more meaningfull to me as they dealt with horrid feelings that I was having at the time (early eighties) as I tried to grow into a man. Misplaced Childhood was freighteningly good as were the first couple of IQ albums. I think gradually these bands have lost their emotional edge but have replaced it with more polished , well produced albums. They understand their audience well. The idea of evolution is totally a matter of opinion. I see it as change that is not better but I'm happy to go with it all the same. I would rather Marillion and IQ still existed than not.
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progbethyname
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Posted: May 08 2013 at 14:43 | |||
Agreed cause albums like MARBLES and BRAVE, which are MARILLIONS best I find with HOGARTH, seem to not have that Neo feel to it. Doesn't sound symphonic to me in anyway. |
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progbethyname
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Posted: May 08 2013 at 14:48 | |||
My man. You forgot ARENA. They are among the major 3 where by I would put them ahead of PENDRAGON in a heart beat. Good point though. Interesting. |
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progbethyname
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Posted: May 08 2013 at 14:54 | |||
IQ are just brilliant when it comes to lyrical themes and meanings in their music. You want to talk about about music that looks right into your the heart of your core being listen to the albums Subterenea, the seventh house, Ever andThe wake and after you do you'll be a changed man. Speaking to you Mr. Rolland cause I know Richard already has. Enjoy if you already haven't. :) |
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progbethyname
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Posted: May 08 2013 at 14:57 | |||
Well they (MARILLION) are still prog just a different breed of prog. Theya re not NEO anymore. |
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