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Posted: May 09 2013 at 11:00
PS AMAZING DOUBLE ALBUMS YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO BEFORE YOU DIE (WARNING; LIST CONTAINS NON-PROG MUSIC!!): The White Album Physical Graffiti Goodbye Yellow Brick Road Sign O' The Times Grace For Drowning Stadium Arcadium The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway Live Albums Innumerable
It has to be said, with todays - fifty five zillion channels on the goggle-box, everything that is shown is just a re-make of some-such programme made two-three decades before so that generation X+1 thinks that they are watching something new...whilst generation X think - seen this zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
I suppose this is the same with some of the young whipper-snappers today - they get the latest S. Wilson CD - and have no idea that it's essence was 1972-1975 Genesis.....Ho hum...........
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Posted: May 09 2013 at 14:20
ProgressiveMike wrote:
PS AMAZING DOUBLE ALBUMS YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO BEFORE YOU DIE (WARNING; LIST CONTAINS NON-PROG MUSIC!!):
The White Album
Physical Graffiti
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
Sign O' The Times
Grace For Drowning
Stadium Arcadium
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Live Albums Innumerable
Aimed at me I guess. My personal favourites are
Mike Oldfield - Incantations
Aphrodites Child -666
The latter is annoyingly overlooked and was recorded a few years before it became the trendy thing to do epic (overblown) double albums. The former is just a perfect album but then Oldfield did slave over it for 9 months and wanted it to be the last word on his complex instrumental style.
Chicago's first two albums were great double albums although not really 'prog'
From your list the only one that I like that much is Grace For Drowning although I'm not that familar with most on the list apart from Lamb.
Don't count live doubles as they are often just compilation albums in disguise
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 10:25
M27barney I severely object to your post regarding Mr.Wilson.
First, I submit that there are VERY few "whipper-snappers" listening to prog at all.
Secondly I find your underhanded remarks specifying that ones age has in anyway to do with ones awareness of prog instrumentation and techniques to be ill-advised and incorrect. It only serves as a suggestion to your own age, which I dare not comment on.
Thirdly, Steven Wilson is a fantastic artist and regarding him as "same old" is a discredit to your own character and a HUGE loss to your music library. Mr. Wilson has stated in at least one interview that his favorite albums were made in the 70s. The influence of the albums are obvious, and tastefully appreciated in his work. Just because I am a huge fan of the Prog Rock Caretaker and one of progs most successful perpetuators doesn't mean that I believe he is discovering brand new techniques or he is pioneering the use of certain instruments in the realm of rock and roll.
Furthermore, I am acutely aware and appreciative of the work Genesis did in the 70s. Anyone who isn't is likely not a member of this website so your complaint is ineffective, except to serve to piss me off. If you need to disparage Steven Wilson, please choose an appropriate thread.
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Posted: May 11 2013 at 10:40
Have to agree with you in Mr Wilson, ProgressiveMike.
Steven Wilson's early Porcupine Tree albums, especially `Up The Downstair', `Staircase Infinities', the full `Voyage 34', `The Sky Moves Sideways' the `Moonloop' LP, `Signify' etc perfectly fused modern dance/ambient elements with classic progressive rock, and considering he's not far off thirty years in the prog field, he could not be more at the top of his game, putting out music that bridges the old with the new.
If younger listeners get into his work, explore further and find out his influences, then this can only be a good thing, as they'll eventually be exposed to all those defining vintage prog bands and ensure they live on with the next generation.
I also get the feeling Wilson will semi-retire and focus on producing before he ever gets anywhere near `jumping his shark'
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Posted: May 12 2013 at 01:41
I should point out that a lot of the Steven Wilson hate can be explained if you go to the Steven Wilson v Roine Stolt thread. M27 Barney is very much a Stolt fan and him and a number of Flower Kings fans had their feathers ruffled by comments made by Wilson on Stolt (albeit several years ago)
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Posted: May 12 2013 at 02:25
Indeed, this was years ago. Given the style of SW's latest album, I think it's pretty clear he has changed his views considerably over the last few years. His views are now closer to mine, I think. He sees that progressive rock in general, even with decreased "contemporary" influence, has much more freedom than any "modern" pop style. Whereas before, he would have claimed to value hip hop more than modern symphonic and the like. I think he has discreetly changed his views, and has stopped trying so hard to be hip. He also doesn't like metal anymore.
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Posted: May 13 2013 at 03:42
Carl Palmer's 1973 rotating stainless steel drum kit was perceived by some as jumping the shark, I personally think it was cool as long as you were not a roadie
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Posted: May 13 2013 at 08:13
Cornelius wrote:
For me. Was when Genesis and Yes turned to chart success.... Instead of Artistic Integrity we got ABACAB and Owner Of A Lonely Fart.
Most big name Prog groups were doing it though around 80-81, To a degree...
Yet YES came back to the fold a bit with some tunes on KEYS & MAGIFICATION and Genesis did the same with some of CAS (an acquired taste for many) and "Driving The Last Spike" could be added in the argument.
Can you blame them? Playing a small arena to 2,500 geeky dudes like ourselves OR selling out a stadium of 30,000+ to a mix of people (including girls!!). As a band its a no-brainer.
When some of the prog bands did some shark jumping they possibly took on some new fans who discovered the earlier prog tunes. I recall when ABACAB was out I enjoyed it, but then my best bud played FOXTROT for me and I was sold.
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