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JD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 5540 |
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To begin with for those aren't familiar with the phrase;
From Wikipedia Jumping the shark is an idiom used to describe the moment in the evolution of a television show when it begins a decline in quality that is beyond recovery. The usage of "jump the shark" has subsequently broadened beyond television, indicating the moment when a brand, design, or creative effort's evolution loses the essential qualities that initially defined its success and declines, ultimately, into irrelevance. The motivator for me asking is that last weekend I was digging through some old VHS tapes and found my copy of Lisztomania. I hadn't watched it since probably 1985 and had completely forgotten just about everything about it. Well towards the end when Rick Wakeman makes his appearance it became painfully apparent that this was probably the moment. Three full years before the dreaded Love Beach album which, had it not been for Rick's (performance?) involvement in Lisztomania, would have been my first choice. So what do you think. What's your choice for Prog's Jumping the Shark moment? |
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javier0889 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 21 2010 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 170 |
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When hairy chests and sunny beaches became the motifs of prog musicians.
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Rock Progressivo Italiano Team Joined: October 12 2011 Location: Melb, Australia Status: Offline Points: 7444 |
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Prog hasn't jumped the shark at all - not even close.
Still MID-FLIGHT, baby, and there it's going to stay forever! ![]() |
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irrelevant ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Post/Math Rock Team Joined: March 07 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 11644 |
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Yep, well said! There are some prog bands over the time that might have jumped the shark, but not the genre as a whole really.
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Rock Progressivo Italiano Team Joined: October 12 2011 Location: Melb, Australia Status: Offline Points: 7444 |
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And right back at you, good Sir! ![]() I should have also said it was at it's highest altitude too! ![]() |
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Progosopher ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 12 2009 Location: Coolwood Status: Offline Points: 3996 |
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Well said,both of you. |
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The Mystical ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2012 Status: Offline Points: 604 |
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Well said all of you.
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Fair enough. I''d absolutely agree that as a whole the genre has not. I will always agree that Love beach, both the cover and the whole of side one (sans Canario) is most definitely ELP's Jumping the shark, but surely there has to be other examples. Enlighten me.
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zeqexes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 19 2012 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1238 |
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Everything here is well said.
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4083 |
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Well at least the thread taught me a new expression, I had never heard about jumping sharks except in National Geographic documentaries.
The genre in general was forced to jump the shark by its musical, cultural and economical environment in the late 70's, but those musicians who had the talent or courage kept making interesting music all along, and when the environment became more hospitable many of them have come back strong. But some of them did indeed, Genesis jumped the shark clearly in Abacab but with Invisible Touch it was more like an aquarium show dolphin jump
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Never truly, but of course I'm biased (as are most here, naturally). In the 80's, avant-prog destroys the dull, plodding, dreary post-punk that was around. Quality over quantity. The 80's neo bands are certainly the best from their style too. The 80's sucked for everything, so prog only declined inasmuch as music in general did.
I just defended 80's prog. That already gives me a passing grade in debate class. I don't even need to mention the 90's and on.
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There are a few old threads about specific bands Jumping the shark.
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Whoever first released an album with incredibly good sleeve artwork, triple-gatefold diecut sleeve etc etc - but only on CD, not on vinyl.
That would be jumping the shark, methinks. |
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Yeah, the packaging is sooo much more important than the music.
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As others have said, as a genre it never did, whilst ELP were busy with Love Beach, Bubu were putting out Anabelas, Locanda Della Fate had Forsa Le Luciola Non si Amano Piu (sp?), Art Zoyd were going strong, Universe Zero were just getting started, heck the entire Avant/RIO movement was really getting into it's swing at the time, even Canterbury acts like National Health were putting out good albums. Sadly there were more than a few bands that dropped into mediocrity.
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Symphonic-style prog "jumped the shark" around about 1976, and vanilla prog metal somewhere in the mid-90s, but most other styles/subgenres are still going as strong as ever.
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Rightly Said !! Prog has not " Jumped" !!! Been hearing Prog since I first spun Nursery Cryme back in 73' and i am just as excited about what is going on in the Prog world today, As I was back then.... Specifics can be cited however...YES officially "Jumped The Shark" when they threw out the great Jon Anderson. Magnification was a real good album, but now....Yes is dead...
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For those that don't know, the term "Jump the Shark" was actually derived from a "dramatic" 2-part episode of Happy Days which featured Fonzie "jumping a shark" on his motorcycle.
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I would say there were some prog bands who definitely jumped the shark, but I don't think prog as a whole ever has. It got beat down for awhile by punk and new wave, but has come back as strong as ever. Actually, even some bands who at one time could have been accused of jumping the shark (Wakeman's King Arthur on Ice, the cover of Love Beach, Yes' Tales from Topographic Oceans, etc.) made comebacks or did relevant work after that.
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